Is CO pulling out of Baltimore BWI?
Sep 22, 2010 | 2:40 am
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Is CO pulling out of Baltimore BWI?
I am flying out of BWI this morning to EWR. Gone are the 6am and the 8:30am flights to IAH. It appears that CO has significantly scaled back flights at BWI. This could be in prep for new focus on IAD.
I would have thought the combination of UA and CO would have provided a stronger network out of BWI - maybe they just do not want to complete with WN.
I would have thought the combination of UA and CO would have provided a stronger network out of BWI - maybe they just do not want to complete with WN.
Sep 22, 2010 | 3:13 am
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With UA having a 6am to ORD - I suspect traffic will be routed through ORD rather than IAH.
Sep 22, 2010 | 3:35 am
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I see all the BWI-IAH flights in the schedule in October and November. It may be a 1 day thing. With the merger, we don't want to see markets being cut off from hubs to consolidate. If you had to depend on ORD what happens in the winter when ORD goes down. That is why you need IAH where there is less chance of problems in the winter.
Sep 22, 2010 | 5:39 am
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It's also late September aka the softest travel time of the year. Don't make any judgments on domestic markets during this time period. Schedules are chopped to pieces...
Sep 22, 2010 | 5:44 am
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I was hoping that with UA and CO merging, the former club that is on the concourse they use could be reopened. I think it was a former US club and might have been used for something else as well.
Sep 22, 2010 | 7:00 am
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I would love to see that RCC reopened as a PC
, and have them focus some service for DC out of this airport. The fares to DCA are ridiculous - so BWI is a reasonable option.
Sep 22, 2010 | 7:07 am
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This is Phase II of the Southwest Effect.
OAK is in a very similar situation. There's not much left there, other than WN.
Sep 22, 2010 | 7:37 am
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The 6:00 am is still there. I'm on it in a couple of weeks.
I am flying out of BWI this morning to EWR. Gone are the 6am and the 8:30am flights to IAH. It appears that CO has significantly scaled back flights at BWI. This could be in prep for new focus on IAD.
I would have thought the combination of UA and CO would have provided a stronger network out of BWI - maybe they just do not want to complete with WN.
I would have thought the combination of UA and CO would have provided a stronger network out of BWI - maybe they just do not want to complete with WN.
Sep 22, 2010 | 9:05 am
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I expect CO to consolidate their WAS flights and bring mainline between IAH/IAD for hub to hub feed. However frequency between IAD/EWR will be reduced greatly from 9x to 4x to feed the early am, transatlantic, and S. America/Latin America Bank as well.
* Source from CO Marketing Friend, seems to be reliable and reasonable.
* Source from CO Marketing Friend, seems to be reliable and reasonable.
Sep 22, 2010 | 9:07 am
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BWI was always a nice UG and fare to the D.C. area....would really suck to see it go the way of OAK and JFK with CO...
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Sep 22, 2010 | 9:19 am
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Keep in mind that today is Tuesday. Tuesday/Wednesday pulldowns are normal for most times of the year, although going into the Fall it may be a little more than usual. There has been some schedule tweaking...most notably on my end that they retimed several SANIAH flights that arent exactly convenient anymore since they depart a lot earlier. But I don't know of any large scale market pulldowns that have really happened recently, so I wouldn't be overly concerned as of yet
Sep 22, 2010 | 9:41 am
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Keep in mind that today is Tuesday. Tuesday/Wednesday pulldowns are normal for most times of the year, although going into the Fall it may be a little more than usual. There has been some schedule tweaking...most notably on my end that they retimed several SANIAH flights that arent exactly convenient anymore since they depart a lot earlier. But I don't know of any large scale market pulldowns that have really happened recently, so I wouldn't be overly concerned as of yet
I just dropped off my parents at HOU for their WN flight to BWI... can't get them to go "all the way to" IAH to fly CO, even if I'm the one doing the driving. Even curbside checkin at HOU looked light today. Too much construction going on, though. I'd rather go to IAH.
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Sep 22, 2010 | 10:09 am
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dont judge the schedule on a tuesday/wednesday. those days systemwide cut backs are done in the AM.
Sep 22, 2010 | 12:31 pm
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Yup.
Sep 22, 2010 | 3:50 pm
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Today is Wednesday. No 6am or 8:30am today to IAH. I just purchased a ticket from BWI-EWR-SEA for today (last night 11 hours before flight time). BWI is still reasonable for walk up type fares. I was hoping to do the SDC and try to get a better flight through IAH that might have a upgrade option - but neither a 6am or 8:30am to IAH came up - first was around noon. Thought they might be sold out - but turns out no flights at all - so I stayed on the EWR flight. I could have changed to a later flight to IAH to SEA but I needed to get here early.
The 6am to ORD a 757 appeared busy. UA had a couple of 757's at BWI - CO had 2 RJs (EWR & CLE) and one 737 for the noon flight.
Less CO staff as well.
The 6am to ORD a 757 appeared busy. UA had a couple of 757's at BWI - CO had 2 RJs (EWR & CLE) and one 737 for the noon flight.
Less CO staff as well.