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#16
Join Date: Apr 2008
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It's because if you live in Louisiana and not New Orleans, Houston and CO are incredibly convenient, yet all the connections are with those freaking RJs. To take a 8, 10, or 12 hour transcon in beautiful BF, and then to connect to one of those pieces of junk, hoping you'll be in seat 12A. Really, it's a disgrace and frustration to everyone in the state.

Now here's where I have a beef with CO. As I've stated many times, I'm cool with Q400s on routes like EWR-ALB and with ERJs on routes like EWR-GSO. But when CO puts Q400s on longer routes (EWR-RDU, EWR-MYR) and ERJs on really long routes (like the aforementioned IAH-ORF), that's when I have a problem. Perhaps we'll get some good news in this department with the merger, a new contract with the pilots, etc...
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Airbus says they can do it with their A330 tanker at the same cost and their system is ready to go RIGHT NOW......
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Nothing wrong with RJs.
The RJ issue is exacerbated on CO because 1) they only have 50-seaters; and 2) they don't have first class.
Having flown on CRJ-700's, 900's, and EMB-170/175/190's, mostly with, and in F, I don't mind RJ's. Sure I prefer a mainline plane over and RJ, but I don't have a problem with them.
We flew a nice 1,200-mile segment on a DL RJ just last week. F upgrades cleared, breakfast was served on china, drinks in proper glasses, and it was a nice ride. I have a similar such 1,000-mile ride in a few days.
The RJ issue is exacerbated on CO because 1) they only have 50-seaters; and 2) they don't have first class.
Having flown on CRJ-700's, 900's, and EMB-170/175/190's, mostly with, and in F, I don't mind RJ's. Sure I prefer a mainline plane over and RJ, but I don't have a problem with them.
We flew a nice 1,200-mile segment on a DL RJ just last week. F upgrades cleared, breakfast was served on china, drinks in proper glasses, and it was a nice ride. I have a similar such 1,000-mile ride in a few days.
The overhead bins are large enough for any reasonable carry on and, because most of these flights operate as RJ's, in most cases you can still do gate check.
If you're flying an ERJ 175 or 190 on AC, you will also get AVOD and USB at every seat.
#19



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It's because if you live in Louisiana and not New Orleans, Houston and CO are incredibly convenient, yet all the connections are with those freaking RJs. To take a 8, 10, or 12 hour transcon in beautiful BF, and then to connect to one of those pieces of junk, hoping you'll be in seat 12A. Really, it's a disgrace and frustration to everyone in the state.
CO has as many flights each day into AEX (my home airport) as AA and DL combined.
I will go out of my way to not fly DL. I even fly CO to ATL even though I could fly nonstop to ATL with DL. Twice in the past year DL has cancelled their flight from AEX to ATL approximately 5 - 10 minutes after a CO flight left with available seats. This has resulted in me cancelling one trip and having a seven hour delay on another. To me this is unacceptable and I'm voting with my wallet.
That leaves AA and CO for me. I am unable to leave ORF prior to 5:00 p.m. AA cannot get me to AEX the same day so I'll be taking CO and the RJ to IAH and another RJ to AEX. Yes, I don't like the RJs but as cjgibson said if it weren't for RJs and Saab 340s we wouldn't have any service in many locations in Louisiana.
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Vermando is correct.
CO has as many flights each day into AEX (my home airport) as AA and DL combined.
I will go out of my way to not fly DL. I even fly CO to ATL even though I could fly nonstop to ATL with DL. Twice in the past year DL has cancelled their flight from AEX to ATL approximately 5 - 10 minutes after a CO flight left with available seats. This has resulted in me cancelling one trip and having a seven hour delay on another. To me this is unacceptable and I'm voting with my wallet.
That leaves AA and CO for me. I am unable to leave ORF prior to 5:00 p.m. AA cannot get me to AEX the same day so I'll be taking CO and the RJ to IAH and another RJ to AEX. Yes, I don't like the RJs but as cjgibson said if it weren't for RJs and Saab 340s we wouldn't have any service in many locations in Louisiana.
CO has as many flights each day into AEX (my home airport) as AA and DL combined.
I will go out of my way to not fly DL. I even fly CO to ATL even though I could fly nonstop to ATL with DL. Twice in the past year DL has cancelled their flight from AEX to ATL approximately 5 - 10 minutes after a CO flight left with available seats. This has resulted in me cancelling one trip and having a seven hour delay on another. To me this is unacceptable and I'm voting with my wallet.
That leaves AA and CO for me. I am unable to leave ORF prior to 5:00 p.m. AA cannot get me to AEX the same day so I'll be taking CO and the RJ to IAH and another RJ to AEX. Yes, I don't like the RJs but as cjgibson said if it weren't for RJs and Saab 340s we wouldn't have any service in many locations in Louisiana.
#21
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: NJ
Posts: 211
Does Continental plan to change every flight to CO EXPRESS and must they all fly out of Terminal A at EWR - its the PIT of Newark the only nice thing is security is shorter.. No Food, its always packed, its loud and my opinion is 3+ hours is too long on those little planes.
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I disagree on the food issue. I certainly don't prefer A to C, but there's a Grain Station in the middle of the gate A20-A28 terminal that sells healthy food options (sandwiches, yogurt, fruit, snack bars). In many cases, the food I've picked up there has been better than meals I've been served in F.
#23
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: New York; Louisiana
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I don't expect a lie-flat seat and steak au poivre, but I don't think a first class option and an aisle I can stand up in are too much to ask.
#24
Join Date: Apr 2008
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But from IAH to anywhere in Louisiana-- except New Orleans-- I think it probably is too much to ask. There probably just isn't enough traffic from places like BTR, AEX, SHV, etc. to support using E-Jets or CRJ-700s/900s. And FWIW, United doesn't offer F or E+ on its CRJ-200s or ERJ-145s either.
In the coming years, however, you might see some of these routes switched from ERJs to Colgan Q400s. And in my opinion, you'll be missing the ERJs.
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On longer routes, or on routes that link hubs to important business markets, I agree with you.
But from IAH to anywhere in Louisiana-- except New Orleans-- I think it probably is too much to ask. There probably just isn't enough traffic from places like BTR, AEX, SHV, etc. to support using E-Jets or CRJ-700s/900s. And FWIW, United doesn't offer F or E+ on its CRJ-200s or ERJ-145s either.
In the coming years, however, you might see some of these routes switched from ERJs to Colgan Q400s. And in my opinion, you'll be missing the ERJs.
But from IAH to anywhere in Louisiana-- except New Orleans-- I think it probably is too much to ask. There probably just isn't enough traffic from places like BTR, AEX, SHV, etc. to support using E-Jets or CRJ-700s/900s. And FWIW, United doesn't offer F or E+ on its CRJ-200s or ERJ-145s either.
In the coming years, however, you might see some of these routes switched from ERJs to Colgan Q400s. And in my opinion, you'll be missing the ERJs.
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Whoops! You are correct, sir! AA had sent me an e-mail awhile back announcing that "all the Saab 340s are gone" having been replaced by ERJs. I see now that announcement was route specific (LFT-DFW). It appears the AA Eagle ATRs in DFW are all the newer -500 models. I flew on a new ATR-72-500 operated by Air Tahiti PPT-RFP r/t and was actually impressed with this turboprop. And I agree with you concerning the Q400 having flown with Horizon. Colgan is another story.....
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P.S. - I will still take an ERJ 145 operated by ExpressJet over a Q400 operated by Colgan any day - for a number of reasons.


