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gawhite411 May 21, 2010 11:15 am


Originally Posted by channa (Post 13998788)
I disagree. Reciprocity is now more important as it demonstrates that the two airlines will become one. You're not exactly going to get consumer buy-in to the merger if the two sides treat them radically different. This is one way where they can align themselves pretty quickly, and they probably have a lot of the legwork done already since they've been aware of it and have been working on it for some time.

Further, the merger is expected to close late this year. It'll probably be at least another year after that before they're all on one system (and/or on one code). They're not going to want to wait 1.5 to 2 years before they do this.

Agree. It's a step towards integration that materially effects customer and shows integration.

sbm12 May 21, 2010 11:41 am


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13998695)
Frankly, reciprocity is not that important right now - they have bigger fish to fry.

Even if that were true - and I do not believe it is - right now they are not working on the integration; they are working on existing as separate entities. There are thousands of people who would have nothing to do if they were behaving that way.

bocastephen May 21, 2010 11:47 am


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13999086)
Even if that were true - and I do not believe it is - right now they are not working on the integration; they are working on existing as separate entities. There are thousands of people who would have nothing to do if they were behaving that way.

Honestly, do you think both carriers are going to sit there and do nothing, then when the DOJ clears the merger, suddenly rush into a meeting and ask "how are we going to make this work?"

They started integration analysis before the merger agreement and I would bet they are deeply into it now - IT systems, res/ticketing systems, fleet/route planning, product planning, identifying redundancies, group leadership candidates, and even mundane things like which commercial bank to use, which ad agency, etc.

All of this needs to be started many months in advance to ensure a smooth transition or merger day and the months to follow will be a total disaster.

sbm12 May 21, 2010 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13999107)
Honestly, do you think both carriers are going to sit there and do nothing, then when the DOJ clears the merger, suddenly rush into a meeting and ask "how are we going to make this work?"

No. I know that there will be people thinking about that but they are not going to be implementing the merger changes prior to the actual merger, so those developers and analysts are going to need something to do.

jmlsan May 21, 2010 12:55 pm

If it is an IT integration issue, why wouldn't on the UA side the gate agents be instructed to cheerfully provide an E+ seat if one is unclaimed and just say thanks for your business?
Trying to get a CO gold or plat to have to PAY for E+ at the gate when one exists is counter intuative, just as Channa points out about why they would not back burner this initiative.
Over at US, if you call reservations and ask for exit row seating as a *A gold through CO, they cheerfully comply and do it manually, even though there is no IT intergration on this either.
No reason to withold the seats at the gate. Everyone knows its coming anyway.

CHIC SILBER May 21, 2010 1:20 pm

Not At All Mundane
 

Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13999107)
Even mundane things like
which commercial bank to use, which ad agency, etc.

All of this needs to be started many months in advance.

Yup

All of this & much more have been in the works for a long time

Critic May 21, 2010 9:35 pm

I'm hoping we'll hear something positive from COInsider about this soon. I have two itineraries on UA coming up in July - PHL-SDF (via ORD) and PHL-SFO. I can buy-up to E+ on the transcon for $118 (at least until next Wednesday), but not having to pay for it at all would be even better.

Xyzzy May 21, 2010 9:44 pm


Originally Posted by Critic (Post 14001932)
I'm hoping we'll hear something positive from COInsider about this soon. I have two itineraries on UA coming up in July - PHL-SDF (via ORD) and PHL-SFO. I can buy-up to E+ on the transcon for $118 (at least until next Wednesday), but not having to pay for it at all would be even better.

I've had good luck at getting E+ by asking the gate agent. The only place this has been a problem has been at LHR on one trip. There they wanted $ but I ended up in E+ anyway for that flight when they op-upped my traveling companion and gave me the newly-vacant E+ seat.

Renard May 21, 2010 10:10 pm


Originally Posted by sbm12 (Post 13998096)
I'll take that bet.

Me too. I am convinced that CO will stand by its word. Now what Mid-2010 means is another issue... :D

Chuco35 May 21, 2010 11:48 pm

I Don't Know About That.
 

Originally Posted by bocastephen (Post 13998695)
They made the claim before the merger was announced. I think the powers that be will find it much easier to develop a consistent program across the merged carriers than try and jury-rig a temporary solution while the companies are deep in thought trying to figure out how to integrate the more important facets of their business.

Frankly, reciprocity is not that important right now - they have bigger fish to fry.

As CO is wont to say at the end of a flight -- "We know you have a choice of carriers, and appreciate your business".

Well if they leave this Gold elite Px in the dark much longer, I am bailing to AA. AA's challenge program is getting more and more tempting as UA and CO continue to neglect CO elites.

Not all CO elite Pxs are cheering this move. I've been CO elite for 5 years, but I have no loyalty to UA. The brass needs to practice what the FAs promise, and show us some appreciation. These guys better realize this is one fish they need to fry now, or they will hemorrhage many of CO's best customers .

entropy May 22, 2010 9:27 am


or they will hemorrhage many of CO's best customers .
A gold elite?

If you have no loyalty to UA, why would you be flying them instead of CO? OH, maybe you want access to E+, which is far better than CO's butt-breaking Y? But CO... oh CO doesn't have E+...

Billiken May 22, 2010 4:07 pm

A CO GA at SFO told a UA 1K yesterday (Friday) that the GAs intially heard June 1st for UA upgrades on CO flights. She then added, "but we haven't heard anything since the initial announcement."

channa May 22, 2010 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by jmlsan (Post 13999477)
If it is an IT integration issue, why wouldn't on the UA side the gate agents be instructed to cheerfully provide an E+ seat if one is unclaimed and just say thanks for your business?

And you know how that will play out. Some will get the memo, others will not, and it will be total inconsistency. It needs to be handled at the system level with the agents doing things manually as necessary.

It's already bad enough when a real policy change comes into play. Look at CO's IRROPS handling of *G customers. It's been about a year now since they've published their internal procedures, yet they violate their own procedures daily.

JetAway May 22, 2010 5:14 pm

I think it's time for CO Insider to make a reappearance with an update, although "mid-year" would be around July 1st.

sbm12 May 22, 2010 5:28 pm


Originally Posted by JetAway (Post 14005554)
I think it's time for CO Insider to make a reappearance with an update, although "mid-year" would be around July 1st.

His last post on the issue was only 30 days ago. How often do you need updates?

They'll announce it when it is ready. Chill out.


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