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pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 6:44 am

From Crown Weather (www.crownweather.com) Tropical Weather Discussion....


There are two scenarios that may occur with Ike, and each are equally likely to happen:

Scenario 1 is that Ike turns to the west and misses the north coast of Cuba and tracks either through the Florida Straits or the lower Florida Keys as a upper end Category 3 to a Category 4 hurricane on Tuesday. After that, the extension of the ridge would erode allowing for a northwestward and then northerly track to potentially impact the west coast of Florida or the Florida Panhandle late next week.

Scenario 2 is that Ike tracks further south like the model guidance is trending towards and Ike tracks across northern Cuba or perhaps even over the entire length of the island. This track would knock the hurricane down from Category 3 or 4 strength to at most a Category 1 hurricane. After that, Ike would turn more northwestward and track through the Gulf of Mexico and strengthen slowly as its inner core could be severely disrupted by the island of Cuba. With Scenario 2, a landfall somewhere between Louisiana and the Texas coast would be more possible late next week as a Category 2 or perhaps a Category 3 hurricane.

I am going to go out on a limb here, and state that I am personally leaning more towards Scenario 1. The reason for this is because the operational GFS model's depiction of the 500 mb height has not been deep enough with the trough of low pressure in the Midwest and also the heights at 500 millibars over the southwest Atlantic have been higher than what the GFS model has been depicting. So, it is conceivable that the building ridge of high pressure may allow Ike to initially move slightly farther south than progged as it approaches the Turks and Caicos Islands and the Bahamas. Later on, the timing of the first shortwave trough, combined with a deeper Ike, could briefly cause a northward component to the track, allowing Ike to just miss Cuba and track through the Florida Straits or the southern Florida Keys as potentially a very strong hurricane. The latest indications are that tropical storm force winds will begin affecting the Florida Keys as early as Monday night.

It should be noted that it is way, way too early to be sure where on the Gulf Coast Ike could make landfall. That landfall possibility highly depends on the track of Ike over the next 2 to 3 days. If Ike tracks through the Florida Straits or the Florida Keys, then a landfall near the Florida Panhandle or the west coast of Florida would be more likely. However, if Ike tracks across Cuba, then a landfall further west in the Gulf of Mexico, from Louisiana to the Texas coast would be more likely.

pbiflyer Sep 6, 2008 7:12 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321464)
We're still in the "cone of terror", though, so I won't let my guard down.

:D:D:D

I've never heard that before. I like it and am stealing it. :p

I think that unless things change dramatically, you will not have to put up shutters.
I just cancelled my evacuation hotel reservations. Turns out Naples and Tampa probably weren't the best selections anyway.

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 7:15 am


Originally Posted by pbiflyer (Post 10321564)
:D:D:D

I've never heard that before. I like it and am stealing it. :p

You can use it to your heart's content. I heard it from someone else. :D


I think that unless things change dramatically, you will not have to put up shutters.
I'll decide tomorrow. The latest GFDL run brings the center a bit too close for comfort, though. We'll see what the NHC does at 11, then it's off to watch Georgia Tech.

Tennisbum Sep 6, 2008 7:22 am


Originally Posted by Jenbel (Post 10315426)
Poor Bahamas - I hope everything is battered down :(

I think you mean battened, so to minimize the damage from Ike's battering. :)

Tennisbum Sep 6, 2008 7:28 am


Originally Posted by pierre mclopez (Post 10321498)
From Crown Weather (www.crownweather.com) Tropical Weather Discussion....

Completely OT, but can anyone explain why, when I follow that link, does the site greet me by name?

Flaflyer Sep 6, 2008 7:51 am


Originally Posted by pierre mclopez (Post 10321498)
From Crown Weather (www.crownweather.com) Tropical Weather Discussion.... (edited)
Scenario 1 is that Ike misses the north coast of Cuba and tracks track to potentially impact the west coast of Florida late next week.
Scenario 2 is that Ike tracks across northern Cuba or perhaps even over the entire length of the island. With Scenario 2, a landfall somewhere. . . Louisiana Category 3 hurricane.
I am going to go out on a limb here, and state that I am personally leaning more towards Scenario 1.

I am going to go out on a limb here, and state that I am personally leaning more towards Scenario 2. Two reasons: 1. The latest track shows Ike going more south over Cuba and 2. Scenario 1 puts it right over my house. :D

Current track has Ike. . .heading. . . to. . .New. . .Or. . .Leans. :eek:

Comrade: "I don't want to evacuate again."
Mayor Ray: "Do you know how easy it is to govern a city with no residents? I sit here and still get paid while you rot in the un air conditioned Podunksville, Mississippi, High School Gym. With you all gone, the crime rate is zero and life is GOOOD. For me. Get out of my town!"

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 8:15 am


Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 10321604)
Completely OT, but can anyone explain why, when I follow that link, does the site greet me by name?

Because your name is either Hanna or Ike? :D

DBCme Sep 6, 2008 8:32 am

I tell ya, if Ike makes it into the gulf and if staying on present course toward Louisiana (still many days and revisions away), would be sad to see Louisiana officials go through the drill again: "this is the big one" "get out" "evaucate the city"

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 8:36 am


Originally Posted by mikensf74 (Post 10321818)
I tell ya, if Ike makes it into the gulf and if staying on present course toward Louisiana (still many days and revisions away), would be sad to see Louisiana officials go through the drill again: "this is the big one" "get out" "evacuate the city"

You can see how well I've prognosticated in this thread (;)) but IMHO this storm will be a Big Bend to Mobile threat. It really shouldn't make it far enough west to impact New Orleans. Of course, it shouldn't make it to the Gulf either. :D

pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 8:44 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321828)
You can see how well I've prognosticated in this thread (;)) but IMHO this storm will be a Big Bend to Mobile threat.

Well......now that you're FINALLY right, I agree with you. :D

pbiflyer Sep 6, 2008 8:48 am

Can anyone find the latest computer model runs? There is usually one at 8am and is posted on Weather Underground. It is only posting the wind estimates and those are very, very low.
Is there another site that shows the models and has the latest posted?
Hate that NOAA took it off their site.

Non-NonRev Sep 6, 2008 8:50 am

If you use the link in post #1 of this thread, models can be seen in pane #6 on the right hand side.

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 8:57 am

The SWFWMD site generally has the latest available runs plotted pretty quickly.

pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 8:58 am


Originally Posted by pbiflyer (Post 10321869)
Can anyone find the latest computer model runs?

Here's Hamweather too

pbiflyer Sep 6, 2008 9:06 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321568)
We'll see what the NHC does at 11, then it's off to watch Georgia Tech.

Go watch football. Well, as much as you can call the ACC football, anyway. :D

Flaflyer Sep 6, 2008 9:47 am


Originally Posted by pbiflyer (Post 10321924)
Go watch football. Well, as much as you can call the ACC football, anyway. :D

National Champs in a row: SEC - 2, All those other "Football Powerhouse Conferences"(sic) - ZERO. :p

11 AM NHS map: Ike is going to Houma, LA. To finish what is left of it.

Just checking department: question for Mayor Ray: Next Thursday, can your lips form the words "Evacuate!-this is the Storm of the Century"? :D

pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 9:53 am


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 10322085)
.....question for Mayor Ray: Next Thursday, can your lips form the words "Evacuate!-this is the Storm of the Century"? :D

Off topic, but Nagin and Bush have really discredited MBA degrees.

oldpenny16 Sep 6, 2008 10:07 am

this is a huge risk!
 

Originally Posted by mikensf74 (Post 10321818)
I tell ya, if Ike makes it into the gulf and if staying on present course toward Louisiana (still many days and revisions away), would be sad to see Louisiana officials go through the drill again: "this is the big one" "get out" "evaucate the city"

Our local newspaper reported that the average cost of evacuating by car was $500 per carload of people. That for gas, food and expenses. The average may also include motels.

For many families, this is too much to spend!

Many folks arrived at the shelters in North Texas without a penny to spare.

Will they evacuate again?

Likely not!

The election is loosing a lot of air time on tv with all these storms. I think that is a good thing.

sunrisegirl Sep 6, 2008 10:35 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321764)
Because your name is either Hanna or Ike? :D


Great minds think alike coz that's how it greeted me too :D

Well my friends in FLL are now quite p..sed off. They spent all day yesterday putting up shutters and now it looks like they have to come down again. :rolleyes: Oh well, at least that's better than Ike showing his face (I guess that's what Tina thought after a few years of marriage too :p)

aucarol Sep 6, 2008 11:22 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321828)
You can see how well I've prognosticated in this thread (;)) but IMHO this storm will be a Big Bend to Mobile threat. It really shouldn't make it far enough west to impact New Orleans. Of course, it shouldn't make it to the Gulf either. :D


While I certainly don't want NOLA and surrounding area hit again, please don't say that!! I've been worried about that scenario all morning! :(

Tennisbum Sep 6, 2008 11:27 am


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321764)
Because your name is either Hanna or Ike? :D

'Fraid not. :)

swag Sep 6, 2008 1:30 pm

I dunno. I don't trust the models (w. underground has their 2pm update up now, btw). For a week, everyone has been saying Ike will turn North: first they said into the mid-Atlantic away from land, and Ike continued West. Then they said Ike would follow Hanna up the east coast, then that said Ike would hit Miami, then they said Key West. But this stubborn storm keeps tracking West.

I'm worried for NOLA and the LA coast, and my gut says at this point, to hope for a continued Western track to hit the lower TX coast, rather than a north turn into Florida.

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 4:17 pm

I give up prognosticating on thsi storm. I'm just as happy that he looks opposed to coming to visit here. :D

im-headed-west Sep 6, 2008 6:40 pm

Back up to a Cat 4 and looking pretty mean.

Looks like some of the Turks and Caicos will take a direct hit tonight or early Sunday.

SRQ Guy Sep 6, 2008 7:18 pm

yeah Turks and Caicos are boned. Ike could ramp up to a Cat 5 as he roars over them and into eastern Cuba.

Meanwhile a monster Bermuda High is extending westward with Ike, protecting Florida.

It's amazing to watch.

pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 10:07 pm


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10321828)
IMHO this storm will be a Big Bend to Mobile threat.

Crow for two please.

pierre mclopez Sep 6, 2008 10:08 pm

Latest conspiracy theory. Hedge funds can steer hurricanes. They are long oil.

bocastephen Sep 6, 2008 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by SRQ Guy (Post 10324255)
...
Meanwhile a monster Bermuda High is extending westward with Ike, protecting Florida.

It's amazing to watch.

Oh crap...there goes my free week off :(

SRQ Guy Sep 7, 2008 10:11 am


Originally Posted by pierre mclopez (Post 10324791)
Crow for two please.

Indeed. I'm done prognosticating.

The only thing I'm sure of is that I'm glad Ike's not going to pay ME a visit. :D

Ike will truly be a historical storm. On a scary note, he's quickly approaching the path of the Great Galveston Hurricane of 1900. This is truly unprecedented though, coming from the direction he came from.

DBCme Sep 7, 2008 10:32 am

[QUOTE=oldpenny16;10322167]Our local newspaper reported that the average cost of evacuating by car was $500 per carload of people. That for gas, food and expenses. The average may also include motels.
QUOTE]

There is a conspiracy going on here folks. Ike has partnered with the oil companies to scare folks, this time perhaps convincing the entire Gulf coast to evacuate. And you just know McCain and Palin are involved in this too.
As a result everyone will now be rushed to the pumps to fill up and leave their homes.
:p

SRQ Guy Sep 7, 2008 10:35 am


Originally Posted by mikensf74 (Post 10326371)
There is a conspiracy going on here folks. Ike has partnered with the oil companies to scare folks, this time perhaps convincing the entire Gulf coast to evacuate. And you just know McCain and Palin are involved in this too.
As a result everyone will now be rushed to the pumps to fill up and leave their homes.
:p

You jest, but for fun I occasionally read a conspiracy board where people think this is actually the case. The camp is split on whether Katrina was steered to New Orleans by President Bush because he hates black people or whether it was steered there by the Russians or Chinese as a weapon of mass destruction. :D

TA Sep 7, 2008 11:33 am

;

just out of curiosity -- if you were in the area hit by Gustav, and now facing the possibility of Ike, and say you were in charge of telling people how to evacuate, recover, allocating supplies, etc -- would you tell people to stop repairing stuff that they just returned to? I mean, if a hurricane is about to flatten your house again, at what point do you say it's not worth cleaning/rebuilding after the first one?

If you know another one is coming in a week, do you not bother to clean up the first one? How about a month? How long is worth it to have a place to live before it gets demolished again?

(or a year? if you're cynical :eek:)

TA Sep 7, 2008 11:42 am

and just something I have noticed --

in most government publications, it's difficult to get a sense of urgency or seriousness regarding a subject, because they're often phrased conservatively, or trying not to offend anyone or be too dramatic. Or you feel that you're probably just as knowledgeable on the subject as some functionary.

For me, at least, that is definitely not the case with the advisories from the NHC, which I've read, and the following phrase actually gives me shivers often when I read it, knowing it comes from respected and careful forecasters:

"...PREPARATIONS TO PROTECT LIFE AND PROPERTY SHOULD BE RUSHED TO COMPLETION."

Few other statements from the government instill such a sense of urgency, certainty, and command, don't you agree?

pierre mclopez Sep 7, 2008 1:02 pm

Bump.

LoneStarMike Sep 7, 2008 2:43 pm

Here's another site from the Tampa area with lots of big graphics.

Jenbel Sep 8, 2008 3:18 am

Sounds like the Caribbean is being hammered by him :(

karenkay Sep 8, 2008 9:36 am

hurricane ike--yikes.
 
watching the latest track it looks like it's headed straight for houston.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at4...?5day#contents

could be an interesting weekend....it's making me a bit nervous, to tell the truth. we're due.

SRQ Guy Sep 8, 2008 9:38 am

The current rack ought to wake up Houston. If you extrapolate, it looks like a Cat 3 storm right up Galveston Bay.

Fortunately, 5 day forecasts have an average error of 300 miles.

I bet Ike is going to stop the slide in oil prices for a bit, though.

oldpenny16 Sep 8, 2008 9:39 am

I'm cleaning house and buying more groceries. I expect visitors soon.

Mary2e Sep 8, 2008 9:40 am

Oh boy.. what a year.

This is remiding me of 2005 (?) when Florida was getting hit every other week :)


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