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Nov 7, 2002 | 11:23 pm
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Nov 8, 2002 | 1:22 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hfly:
Gee, I can swear that one of the above posters admitted using another persons handle as recently as a few months ago. </font>
Gee, I can swear that one of the above posters admitted using another persons handle as recently as a few months ago. </font>
Nov 8, 2002 | 1:45 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
I think you'll find that at least eight (8) of the posters in this thread (so far) have used multiple handles on FT.</font>
I think you'll find that at least eight (8) of the posters in this thread (so far) have used multiple handles on FT.</font>
2. And please name the multiple handles they are using.
As the saying goes: Put your money where your mouth is.
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Nov 8, 2002 | 3:14 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
I think you'll find that at least eight (8) of the posters in this thread (so far) have used multiple handles on FT. Perhaps contact Randy to verify this if you have anything new to add or query, as he generally does not endorse/approve publication of such things. Out of curiousity does your post have anything whatever to do with the original thread?</font>
I think you'll find that at least eight (8) of the posters in this thread (so far) have used multiple handles on FT. Perhaps contact Randy to verify this if you have anything new to add or query, as he generally does not endorse/approve publication of such things. Out of curiousity does your post have anything whatever to do with the original thread?</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">For no particular reason I thought I'd bump this thread at this time. </font>
P.S. I love the way you write eight (8) as to try to add importance to your post, and to make everyone here look stupid by thinking we don't understand the meaning of the word eight
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Nov 8, 2002 | 3:35 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles:
To which eight of the dozen or so posters who have participated in this thread are you referring?
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To which eight of the dozen or so posters who have participated in this thread are you referring?
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Originally posted by ozstamps:
Perhaps contact Randy to verify this .... as he generally does not endorse/approve publication of such things.</font>
Originally posted by ozstamps:
Perhaps contact Randy to verify this .... as he generally does not endorse/approve publication of such things.</font>
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Originally posted by Randy Petersen:
I have also spent the last month addressing the issue of multiple user names. Because of the large number of members that this effects, it will take some time to resolve, but it is being addressed (some 900+ members with roughly 2814 total multiple user names).
However, I will not name those being addressed for any action and why actions were taken and prefer to operate in the background. </font>
Originally posted by Randy Petersen:
I have also spent the last month addressing the issue of multiple user names. Because of the large number of members that this effects, it will take some time to resolve, but it is being addressed (some 900+ members with roughly 2814 total multiple user names).
However, I will not name those being addressed for any action and why actions were taken and prefer to operate in the background. </font>
I am not sure why some choose to dredge up my registering other handles in the past? That is VERY old news. It was from another heated era, most do not wish to re-visit. Randy received an assurance from me that would not occur again, and it has not. If anyone doubts that, please take it up with him direct.
The problem still exists, but not from me. I suspect Randy and staff is busy enough this week wasting valuable time checking into infantile fake handles of other well known posters here, than to be constantly raking over old coals?
And ScottC I have not 'blamed' SMessier of anything here if you care to re-read my posts - please edit your incorrect comments. I see only positive posts here mentioning his name.
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Nov 8, 2002 | 3:46 am
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Dear goodness Glen, please for once be a man and just say what you think instead of using your regular tricks to wiggle your way around it...
You posted the following on the 2 "trolls" harassing you:
Clear enough to me and undoubetbly clear enough to the entire poupulation of FT with an IQ above a can of beer.
I've taken the liberty of reposting a classic post by our dear friend Jon Toner:
You keep talking about things in the past and that it is all behind us but continue to pull the same old tricks, some things just never seem to change.
You posted the following on the 2 "trolls" harassing you:
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You must have seen both of these corny fakes SMessier .... after all you posted right after both on the very few threads in the UA board that you added to this week.
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea
SMessier. You and the 2 new recent fake handles here 'oz stamper' and 'ozzie stamper' seem to be the only ones obsessed by this. Very interesting.
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You must have seen both of these corny fakes SMessier .... after all you posted right after both on the very few threads in the UA board that you added to this week.
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea
SMessier. You and the 2 new recent fake handles here 'oz stamper' and 'ozzie stamper' seem to be the only ones obsessed by this. Very interesting.
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I've taken the liberty of reposting a classic post by our dear friend Jon Toner:
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Originally posted by Jon Toner here
Oz. You exhibit sociopathic behavior. I seriously recommend you consider some kind of counseling. Every flame war exhibits the following pattern. It has become clockwork.
The spark
Someone posts something. Oz lights a match with a snotty remark, or takes offense and launches personal attacks.
My post count is larger than yours.
Oz begins his Dont you know who I am? campaign. He points out how a few of his posts have the highest number of replies, and challenges the others. He claims his posts are more important, helped more people, etc.
Who Dares Question the Great and Powerful Oz?
Oz berates anyone daring to question HIM. Personal attacks zestfully posted. He has met Randy. They are best buddies. In fact, he can personally vouch for Randys sexual orientation!
Do as I say, not as I do!
Start accusing others of the high crime of multiple identities. Note: Only a high crime when OTHERS do it not a high crime by Oz. The crusade to out imposters will never lack a standard bearer with Oz around.
The silence is deafening...
Oz points out the silence of others as proof he is right. Or he points out the silence of others as proof that the other person is wrong. Or he points out the silence as having some quasi-mystical power which makes him omnipotent King of FlyerTalk.
Dont trouble me with facts, Ive made up my mind.
Oz ignores points he cannot rebut, and widens the argument into new areas, especially by infecting other threads. Challenges others on meaningless (to the discussion) things like how much charity work they do.
Declare Victory and Retreat
Oz decides to declare victory, pompously pointing out he is going to take the high road and not responding any more ... but not before having the final word.
More farewell performances than Barbara Streisand
Despite the promise not to post any more on a thread, returns to throw a little more gasoline on the fire. Declares victory again. Repeats as often as necessary.
Who, me? What did I do?
He then shrugs his shoulders and wonders why everyone is getting so worked up on other infected threads. Asks Randy to close down the threads in the name of civility. Thank God for Oz, the voice of reason.
We dont need no stinking moderators
Oz becomes amazed and appalled when others begin to wonder publicly whether moderators might not be in order. Points out how Randy considers him the best FTer and wishes he had more like him. After all, he has met Randy. They are best buddies. In fact, he can personally vouch for Randys sexual orientation!
Cult of Personality
Come meet the great and powerful Oz. In person, hes oh-so-charming and witty. Of course so was Adolf Hitler. I hear Joseph Stalin was fun to drink with. And lets not forget Idi Amin what a card.
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Originally posted by Jon Toner here
Oz. You exhibit sociopathic behavior. I seriously recommend you consider some kind of counseling. Every flame war exhibits the following pattern. It has become clockwork.
The spark
Someone posts something. Oz lights a match with a snotty remark, or takes offense and launches personal attacks.
My post count is larger than yours.
Oz begins his Dont you know who I am? campaign. He points out how a few of his posts have the highest number of replies, and challenges the others. He claims his posts are more important, helped more people, etc.
Who Dares Question the Great and Powerful Oz?
Oz berates anyone daring to question HIM. Personal attacks zestfully posted. He has met Randy. They are best buddies. In fact, he can personally vouch for Randys sexual orientation!
Do as I say, not as I do!
Start accusing others of the high crime of multiple identities. Note: Only a high crime when OTHERS do it not a high crime by Oz. The crusade to out imposters will never lack a standard bearer with Oz around.
The silence is deafening...
Oz points out the silence of others as proof he is right. Or he points out the silence of others as proof that the other person is wrong. Or he points out the silence as having some quasi-mystical power which makes him omnipotent King of FlyerTalk.
Dont trouble me with facts, Ive made up my mind.
Oz ignores points he cannot rebut, and widens the argument into new areas, especially by infecting other threads. Challenges others on meaningless (to the discussion) things like how much charity work they do.
Declare Victory and Retreat
Oz decides to declare victory, pompously pointing out he is going to take the high road and not responding any more ... but not before having the final word.
More farewell performances than Barbara Streisand
Despite the promise not to post any more on a thread, returns to throw a little more gasoline on the fire. Declares victory again. Repeats as often as necessary.
Who, me? What did I do?
He then shrugs his shoulders and wonders why everyone is getting so worked up on other infected threads. Asks Randy to close down the threads in the name of civility. Thank God for Oz, the voice of reason.
We dont need no stinking moderators
Oz becomes amazed and appalled when others begin to wonder publicly whether moderators might not be in order. Points out how Randy considers him the best FTer and wishes he had more like him. After all, he has met Randy. They are best buddies. In fact, he can personally vouch for Randys sexual orientation!
Cult of Personality
Come meet the great and powerful Oz. In person, hes oh-so-charming and witty. Of course so was Adolf Hitler. I hear Joseph Stalin was fun to drink with. And lets not forget Idi Amin what a card.
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Nov 8, 2002 | 4:16 am
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ozstamps claimed:
Wow.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I bought this thread back to life to hopefully STOP some recent problems, as Randy and 2 Moderators can attest.</font>
Nov 8, 2002 | 4:30 am
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ScottC. Post from year's old threads if you feel that will cool heads here and advance and engender harmony on FlyerTalk. I doubt it will. I certainly will not join you and re-visit days most here would prefer to move on from by dredging up ancient opinions.
You were privvy to the communications from Randy in July that I refer to below, and I am disappointed you have posted as you have in this thread. Until your debut post here today this was a friendly and positive thread. Perhaps look into a mirror yourself Scott. My reviving this thread was done with good intentions in mind and others behind the scenes can bear that out.
If you are posting my quotes in other Forums, please adhere to usual convention and post the entire quote without your heavy and (not surprisingly) VERY selective editing. And please indicate thread source. That ACTUAL quote being from here and reading exactly as follows.
Which does not quite replicate your version below. Whether or not I have an 'IQ above a can of beer' I still cannot see where you made your case? If you choose not to edit as politely requested - your call entirely.
You were privvy to the communications from Randy in July that I refer to below, and I am disappointed you have posted as you have in this thread. Until your debut post here today this was a friendly and positive thread. Perhaps look into a mirror yourself Scott. My reviving this thread was done with good intentions in mind and others behind the scenes can bear that out.
If you are posting my quotes in other Forums, please adhere to usual convention and post the entire quote without your heavy and (not surprisingly) VERY selective editing. And please indicate thread source. That ACTUAL quote being from here and reading exactly as follows.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">SMessier - I believe Punki's italicised comment above was directed NOT at me, but at "ozzie stamper" a.k.a. "oz stamper" (until yesterday) a.k.a .....
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea.
You must have seen both of these corny fakes SMessier .... after all you posted right after both on the very few threads in the UA board that you added to this week.
I am not sure why you choose to dredge up today my registering other handles in the past? That is VERY ancient history. Randy received an assurance from me that would not occur again, and it has not. He also received other private assurances on another matter from several other users here a few months back, which until this week had been adhered to admirably it seems by those concerned.
I do think all FT benefited by those folks involved keeping their word to him since then. FT has been a far more placid place since July. </font>
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea.
You must have seen both of these corny fakes SMessier .... after all you posted right after both on the very few threads in the UA board that you added to this week.
I am not sure why you choose to dredge up today my registering other handles in the past? That is VERY ancient history. Randy received an assurance from me that would not occur again, and it has not. He also received other private assurances on another matter from several other users here a few months back, which until this week had been adhered to admirably it seems by those concerned.
I do think all FT benefited by those folks involved keeping their word to him since then. FT has been a far more placid place since July. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">You must have seen both of these corny fakes SMessier .... after all you posted right after both on the very few threads in the UA board that you added to this week.
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea
SMessier. You and the 2 new recent fake handles here 'oz stamper' and 'ozzie stamper' seem to be the only ones obsessed by this. Very interesting.</font>
Curious you should refer to it? And naturally it is not even an original idea
SMessier. You and the 2 new recent fake handles here 'oz stamper' and 'ozzie stamper' seem to be the only ones obsessed by this. Very interesting.</font>
Nov 8, 2002 | 12:14 pm
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ozstamps writes to ScottC:
No ozstamps. The fact is this was a friendly and positive thread until you posted:
(emphasis on winky guy)
Your post was clearly not with good intentions, IMHO. And it is you that should be looking in a mirror.
I applaud your actions "behind the scenes" and wish you would do more of that.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Until your debut post here today this was a friendly and positive thread. Perhaps look into a mirror yourself Scott. My reviving this thread was done with good intentions in mind and others behind the scenes can bear that out.</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">For no particular reason I thought I'd bump this thread at this time. </font>
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Your post was clearly not with good intentions, IMHO. And it is you that should be looking in a mirror.
I applaud your actions "behind the scenes" and wish you would do more of that.
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Nov 8, 2002 | 3:07 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by PSC 1K:
OK - so I'm new at FT - but this is getting way off the topic and "over the top." Can we either get back to basics or just end this thread?</font>
OK - so I'm new at FT - but this is getting way off the topic and "over the top."
Can we either get back to basics or just end this thread?</font>
Can we all just have a beer together?