All true. An accurate and concise summary.

The last half-dozen or so messages have nothing to do with UAPremierExec. This thread has turned into a discussion of community standards.

His decision to leave may be final. Who knows. I must, of course, confess to having posted a goodbye thread about 18 months ago and then disappointed some by returning.
http://www.flyertalk.com/pasttalk/ft...ML/000959.html

As for the larger issue, as with any issue, individually we must decide what is over and what isn't. If this issue doesn't interest you, you can declare it over. For those it does interest, it will continue.

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"I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own."

The "I'm-not-going-to-play-with-you-anymore" type announcements always seem a bit self-serving to me. As exemplified in the posting that kicked off this topic, they tend to be laughably dramatic, and the over-the-top title of this string would certainly qualify for Joan Crawford status.

A good attention-grabber, if that's what one is after, but not useful for much else.

Every now and then we all need a little time off from things we do too much of, I've taken a few weeks off FT in the past too, perhaps after a few weeks Nate will come to the conclusion that there is still a place for him on FT, we should also respect that. We all learn from our mistakes.

UAPremeierExec from an on-topic standpoint (travel) has been valuable IMo.

His off-topic conduct was very regrettable.
Yet for a first offense, banishment (even self-initiated) seems a bit harsh.

It would seem a 'timeout' (apparently self-initiated) is appropriate. And hopefuly when he returns, he will be that much more sensitized about future posts.

One strike and your out does not seem to be consistent with other FT disciplinary actions.

Again, I'm only posting because I have not seen any other posts by Nate that demonstrate habitual inappropriateness.

So, here's hoping that he can earn a second chance with FT by reconciling his recent conduct, but more importantly, focus in the future about posting on what we all generally agree on...FFPs!

Re: UAPremier Exec and the decision to leave, I hope you'll reconsider also. In my very short time viewing and responding to posts on this board, I have enjoyed reading your (not always agreed with) point of view.

I must have missed the post that all of this hullaballo is about, though I did read the replies/repercussions of that post. I think there's a saying about those being perfect can cast the first stone...something like that.

Some things I do enjoy on this forum is that there are some very refreshing and sometimes controversial opinions expressed regarding the travel realm, yours included, as well as invaluable information. My original feeling of what's necessarily "right" in a situation can be at least changed to "well, I can see where that viewpoint comes from" by reading some of these threads.

All of these unique styles and opinions, when combined, make for some great dialogue and exchanges of ideas, of which you have obviously been a long term part. Hopefully, afer some introspection, you'll reconsider your decision and continue to share your travel experiences and observations here.

Nate,

I certainly hope you reconsider your decision.

Did you say something over the edge? Yes, and you are aware of that. I read it when you asked me to and felt it went too far. I understand the context but was concerned.

However, you self managed it and corrected your post.

For the community, I do find the double standards interesting. Some of the posters here seem to be up in arms about this (and they did not even see the actual post) but have no problem when discriminatory remarks are made about other (for example, gays).

In fact, if memory does not fail me, at least one person who was appalled at Nate's comments had no problem attacking gays and actually outing someone.

Is that OK? I hope not. But of course, that person never apologized and has been welcomed with open arms by others.

I hope that this incident helps our FT community be more sensitive and accepting of all differences, not just some.

William

CameraGuy-- GET OFF THE SOAP BOX... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif Since when do YOU http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif have the moral authority to claim anything around here... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif (I cannot believe it) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/mad.gif

Nate-- Doode, Im sorry to see you leave, but I understand where you are coming from. I didnt see all the original posts but regardless, I feel the exact same way you do. Ignore the bozos from the moral "moral GESTAPO".... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif they are 20 times worse than those they pretend to persecute. Im sorry we didnt get a chance to meet up during your last trip to NYC, I hope we can keep in touch off boards. Take care my friend...

(and to the moral GESTAPO, feel free to fire away at me, post here or check my profile, my email is posted) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/rolleyes.gif

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Gaucho100K

I changed my mind and decided not to pour more gasoline on this fire. Suffice it to say I'm not sorry he left.

[This message has been edited by RichG (edited 08-23-2002).]

I know nothing about this, personally I use FT as a place to seek, and give information. I have never been one to use the internet for dating, making friends etc, as I am not a lonely person, and I am not saying that people out there are lonely... But I see some stupid stuff going on out there. People getting pissed at people all over words. There is a major mix of people on this forum. I don't know of other forums as this is the only one I frequent. But diversity is good. I don't know what "Nate" said, but I am sure it was how he felt, in fact I find a keyboard a great way to express how you feel... I am sure 95% of people out there disagree with him, but if you disagree then don't read it. Please don't let it get to you. Look at this internet, there are tons of hate etc sites out there there are horrible sites out there, and they are out there because someone believes or likes the content. You cannot go around policing everything out there. As with this forum when I have spare time I find this stuff amusing. But I am discusted when I see people taking things personally, this is all text. If I were gay, I would take more offence to being called a ...... to my face than on the internet. Just like when I get rude comments on my posts. I just laugh and think of the time the poster must have on his hands to make comments. I am young, and I have a right to complain if a hotel charged me for having a party in my room whether you think I am an ******* or not online I don't really care. People stop taking the comments expressed here personally, and Nate grow up, and realize that this is only the internet, this is not real person contact. Me hating you online is much different than me hating and wanting to do something about it in real life. Believe me ask the guys who blackmailed me a while back. Gaucho your an *******. J/K I like your opinion.

ryan..please don't call Gaucho an *******! He is a respected member of FT..as far as I am concerned..I have beeen aware of this thread..but it must come to an end. Please have respect for others. It is home for many of us http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif

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MRKEY

It would also be nice if Gaucho100K would retract his unwarranted comments about CameraGuy (which seems to have been the cause of Gaucho100K being labled an *******).

I do believe this is exactly what i meant when I asked that his leaving not be a cause for divisiveness among the rest of us http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif

C'est la vie

Edited for spelling

[This message has been edited by jan_az (edited 08-24-2002).]

My interpretation of Ryan's post:

was just kidding, I like your opinion. My beloved Gaucho does in fact elicit that type response. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

What does it mean if you call someone an ***, a ****, a *****, a ******, or a *******?

Nothing, because if you can't get around the autocensor, you're obviously unfit for the Internet. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif

It's far more useful to call someone a narrow-minded, pompous, arrogant twat than a big *******. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif For all they know, you've just given them a seven star rating. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif

FewMiles..

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It is seriously time to step away from the keyboard and get on with our lives.

I'm sure Randy has received multiple emails about this post and will be by to close it as soon as he's able. Wouldn't it be a wonderful surprise if he got here and everyone had dispersed on their own?

I know it's a stressful time for all of us, what with Tamyra being voted off and all, but I'm confident that if we just work together we can make it through this tough time. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif