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moondog Feb 3, 2012 6:31 am


Originally Posted by Scifience (Post 17944058)
In my experience, I've never had any problems filling and handing on only the arrival portion of the card, though this has always been with an actual visa. Indeed, at many land crossings, departure cards aren't even available upon arrival. It's only one data point, but I'd say it's probably only necessary to worry about keeping a departure card safe if you're on TWOV.

I rarely fill out departure cards in flight unless I'm exceptionally bored because it's a foregone conclusion that I will lose them before my next exit.

anacapamalibu Feb 3, 2012 8:40 am

Filling out a paper card is stone age.
Where's the mobile app for the card to produce a qr code to scan from the phone.
Set up express lane for that.

moondog Feb 3, 2012 9:57 am


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 17816211)
And bonus: we lucky USA passport holders get to do Mongolia border runs to re-activate another entry without need for Mongo visa! Let the Good Times Roll!.... One hasn't lived until they've done the border crossing visa run, stuffed in a jeep on top of millet sacks heading from Erlian to Zamyn Uud, with legs sticking out the window and 4 other people inside in similarly contorted positions. :p

Would you mind starting a thread about this, jiejie? A friend of mine did this drill last summer, wrote a trip report at my behest (I read it; it sounded like a miserable experience), but never got around to putting it online.

IIRC, he flew to Erlian from NAY in the morning, took a taxi to the border, crossed it (easy), and had to pack himself in the back of a truck with farm animals and wait for 3 hours in order to return to China. At that point, his choices were to: 1) share a taxi with 3 other people back to BJ; or 2) spend the night in a crappy hotel, and fly out the next morning (there are no afternoon/evening flights). He opted for the latter.

His primary goal was to save money, but I'm pretty sure that a quick turn in Korea would have cost him less. My question is: what's the point?

I pose this question now because I need to reset my visa during the course of the next 8 days, and have been contemplating the Mongolia option, due to shear curiosity (i.e. how bad could it possibly be?). Option B is HK, which wouldn't cost me (personally) a dime because I have some business to attend to down there within the course of the next 30 days (i.e. I can do that trip anytime).

RealHJ Feb 3, 2012 11:04 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 17944109)
I rarely fill out departure cards in flight unless I'm exceptionally bored because it's a foregone conclusion that I will lose them before my next exit.

I just wish that MU would actually bother to hand the arrival/departure card (or at least the arrival one) on flight. In that flight they didn't give anything, so everyone was rushing to the little desk to get and fill their cards... we thought (mistakenly thought had read so somewhere) that don't need it for transit, so just went on ahead.

tauphi Feb 3, 2012 6:40 pm


Originally Posted by RealHJ (Post 17938736)
2nd, upon arrival at SHA, we thought no arrival card needed for TWOV.

So now my worry is: I have an entry stamp in my passport, no China visa, and no exit stamp. Will it present a problem next time doing TWOV for 48h in Shanghai?

You'll be fine. Even I sometimes have trouble finding the corresponding exit stamp for a given entry stamp in my passport and that certainly hasn't caused any angst with the border people.

I suspect your adventure is mostly down to the fact that you're doing it at SHA, which sees a lot less A-B-C international transfer passengers than PVG, as the only international destinations there are Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan.

jiejie Feb 3, 2012 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 17944109)
I rarely fill out departure cards in flight unless I'm exceptionally bored because it's a foregone conclusion that I will lose them before my next exit.

Interesting. In 10 years of going in and out of China, I have never lost a departure card yet. It's not a tragedy if I did lose it, but at times already having it (with only the departure method/flight left to fill in) saves me time since on the way to the exit Immigration queues, I can slalom around and ahead of passengers who have to first head for the desks with the stacks of empties.


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 17945444)
Would you mind starting a thread about this, jiejie? A friend of mine did this drill last summer, wrote a trip report at my behest (I read it; it sounded like a miserable experience), but never got around to putting it online.

IIRC, he flew to Erlian from NAY in the morning, took a taxi to the border, crossed it (easy), and had to pack himself in the back of a truck with farm animals and wait for 3 hours in order to return to China. At that point, his choices were to: 1) share a taxi with 3 other people back to BJ; or 2) spend the night in a crappy hotel, and fly out the next morning (there are no afternoon/evening flights). He opted for the latter.

His primary goal was to save money, but I'm pretty sure that a quick turn in Korea would have cost him less. My question is: what's the point?

I pose this question now because I need to reset my visa during the course of the next 8 days, and have been contemplating the Mongolia option, due to shear curiosity (i.e. how bad could it possibly be?). Option B is HK, which wouldn't cost me (personally) a dime because I have some business to attend to down there within the course of the next 30 days (i.e. I can do that trip anytime).

Ask and you shall receive. I will post a detailed play-by-play sometime today. Three points:
1) There are more transport options than you identify.
2) There are no flights to Erlian from NAY and in 2011 that was also the case. Only one daily flight in the morning from PEK T1, goes up and back on Capital Airlines (formerly Deer).

3) The Mongolian border run is absolutely cheaper than a turn to Korea and definitely for a US passport holder. THAT's the point. You can do the border run, round-trip, for under USD$100 and 24 hours door to door from your Beijing home. While a round-trip flight to Korea could be done faster, it certainly would cost a LOT more if paying out of pocket, or if using miles and having to pay air ticket taxes and fees. And who wants to fly to Korea just to turn around and fly right back, without at least spending a couple of days in Seoul or something?

ETA: While I'll provide the PbP, I recommend that you not use this option at this time of year due to the cold up there. If you have to go to HK anyway and won't be out of pocket for that trip, do that if you can schedule it in time. Save the Mongo border run experience for April-September.

moondog Feb 3, 2012 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 17948614)
2) There are no flights to Erlian from NAY and in 2011 that was also the case. Only one daily flight in the morning from PEK T1, goes up and back on Capital Airlines (formerly Deer).

I helped him buy his plane ticket, and I'm 99.9% sure there was a flight from NAY (on KN, of course) on the schedule at the time of his trip, even though he ended up flying from PEK in the end (cheaper).

jiejie Feb 4, 2012 4:22 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 17948872)
I helped him buy his plane ticket, and I'm 99.9% sure there was a flight from NAY (on KN, of course) on the schedule at the time of his trip, even though he ended up flying from PEK in the end (cheaper).

I have a feeling you are misremembering something, and that 0.1% comes into play here. But if you were correct in your recollection, any KN flight was sporadic and short-lived. For the last couple of years, I've checked the Erlian flight option pretty regularly (usually every 6 weeks or so online) just to keep tabs on it, and I've never seen a KN flight from NAY on the schedule at any time. In fact, the Deer Air (now renamed Capital Airlines) is the only flight that's been on the regular commercial schedule in the last couple of years. Previous inquiries to ctrip and elong by me confirmed this.

At any rate, we should take this discussion elsewhere, on the border run thread which I'll start soon and do the originating post. We are getting off track on this thread, which is for Chinese visa discussion. Thanks.

xp0 Feb 18, 2012 9:18 pm

Quick question -- I was reading some of the earlier posts and just want to make sure for 2012 in case anything has changed. Once I apply and get my visa, will be a tourist visa, how far in advance get I get my visa? I will be traveling in July... I guess I am confused how long is it good for. Does it matter which length/type visa I get?

Thanks!

Scifience Feb 18, 2012 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by xp0 (Post 18042312)
Quick question -- I was reading some of the earlier posts and just want to make sure for 2012 in case anything has changed. Once I apply and get my visa, will be a tourist visa, how far in advance get I get my visa? I will be traveling in July... I guess I am confused how long is it good for. Does it matter which length/type visa I get?

Thanks!

This post in the sticky thread is up to date and has the answers to all of your questions. :)

TRAVELSIG Feb 18, 2012 11:30 pm


Originally Posted by RealHJ (Post 17945943)
I just wish that MU would actually bother to hand the arrival/departure card (or at least the arrival one) on flight. In that flight they didn't give anything, so everyone was rushing to the little desk to get and fill their cards... we thought (mistakenly thought had read so somewhere) that don't need it for transit, so just went on ahead.

I did a transit without visa yesterday in PEK. No need for a departure/arrival card at all (I had completed it but didn't use it- will use it tomorrow). It was very straightforward and took about 25 minutes from the time I was off the plane to the time I was in the Air China lounge.

jiejie Feb 19, 2012 5:05 pm


Originally Posted by TRAVELSIG (Post 18042626)
I did a transit without visa yesterday in PEK. No need for a departure/arrival card at all (I had completed it but didn't use it- will use it tomorrow). It was very straightforward and took about 25 minutes from the time I was off the plane to the time I was in the Air China lounge.

Just for other readers: this experience may not be constant at PEK or at transits through other Chinese airports. Within the last 3 weeks, I've had reports from PEK and 1-2 other airports from intl transit passengers that were told filling out the card was not required, only to get to the immigration desk and have one demanded of them. This may depend on which officer is manning the desk, and it may be more likely at an incoming terminal that does not have dedicated desks for international transit passengers. My advice for those transiting is to take a card when passed out on the arriving flight, fill it in with purpose as "transit" in the box-check area, and address in China as "international transit only" and not filling in a visa number (especially if you have a single-entry that you are saving for a later visit). Then if you are asked for it, you have it and if not, nothing lost except 2 minutes of your time on the plane.

TRAVELSIG Feb 19, 2012 7:24 pm


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 18046196)
Just for other readers: this experience may not be constant at PEK or at transits through other Chinese airports. Within the last 3 weeks, I've had reports from PEK and 1-2 other airports from intl transit passengers that were told filling out the card was not required, only to get to the immigration desk and have one demanded of them. This may depend on which officer is manning the desk, and it may be more likely at an incoming terminal that does not have dedicated desks for international transit passengers. My advice for those transiting is to take a card when passed out on the arriving flight, fill it in with purpose as "transit" in the box-check area, and address in China as "international transit only" and not filling in a visa number (especially if you have a single-entry that you are saving for a later visit). Then if you are asked for it, you have it and if not, nothing lost except 2 minutes of your time on the plane.

Excellent plan.

mnredfox Feb 20, 2012 1:24 am


Originally Posted by Scifience (Post 18042410)
This post in the sticky thread is up to date and has the answers to all of your questions. :)

Thanks for reminding folks to go to the sticky. It's there for a reason. ;)

xp0 Apr 8, 2012 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by Scifience (Post 18042410)
This post in the sticky thread is up to date and has the answers to all of your questions. :)


Ahhh yes, thanks for that! Sorry for not looking there first :) Great informaton


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