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rkkwan Jun 7, 2012 10:10 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 18719010)
My wife qualifies under #1 but she is now a US citizen, I have no blood relatives that are Chinese citizens and thus it doesn't look like I meet #2--but I got the 2-year visa.

But is she still a Chinese citizen, from the perspective of the PRC government?

moondog Jun 7, 2012 11:28 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719112)
But is she still a Chinese citizen, from the perspective of the PRC government?

If this was the case, she presumably wouldn't need a visa, correct?

rkkwan Jun 8, 2012 3:37 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 18719348)
If this was the case, she presumably wouldn't need a visa, correct?

We're talking about the OP, the husband. The spouse of a Chinese citizen can get a 2-year L, even with no Chinese blood.

trueblu Jun 8, 2012 3:57 am


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719923)
We're talking about the OP, the husband. The spouse of a Chinese citizen can get a 2-year L, even with no Chinese blood.

Except he has mentioned that his wife, now a US citizen, needing a visa also ("we got ours...")

tb

rkkwan Jun 8, 2012 4:03 am


Originally Posted by trueblu (Post 18719977)
Except he has mentioned that his wife, now a US citizen, needing a visa also ("we got ours...")

tb

Which is I added the qualification in my earlier post that said - from the perspective of the Chinese Government - whether the wife is a Chinese citizen.

For example, Chinese-blooded Hong Kong SAR citizens are considered Chinese citizens, but they need either a Home Return Permit or a visa to visit China - regardless of whether it's a SAR or US passport.

So, the wife can still be considered a Chinese citizen (and from what I presume - born in China), even if she doesn't have a Chinese passport and is traveling with only a US passport now, which means needing a visa.

moondog Jun 8, 2012 4:11 am


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719992)
Which is I added the qualification in my earlier post that said - from the perspective of the Chinese Government - whether the wife is a Chinese citizen.

For example, Chinese-blooded Hong Kong SAR citizens are considered Chinese citizens, but they need either a Home Return Permit or a visa to visit China - regardless of whether it's a SAR or US passport.

So, the wife can still be considered a Chinese citizen (and from what I presume - born in China), even if she doesn't have a Chinese passport and is traveling with only a US passport now, which means needing a visa.

True, but rational actor who is eligible for an HRP should have an HRP (assuming they want to go to China?

rkkwan Jun 8, 2012 4:16 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 18720014)
True, but rational actor who is eligible for an HRP be getting visas instead of an HRP?

I understand, but some simply can't get a HRP, like most of the elected "democrats" in Hong Kong. And some never bothered to, before emigrating overseas; now they need to visit China, they may just go get a visa. Unlikely, but possible.

moondog Jun 8, 2012 4:36 am


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18720038)
I understand, but some simply can't get a HRP, like most of the elected "democrats" in Hong Kong. And some never bothered to, before emigrating overseas; now they need to visit China, they may just go get a visa. Unlikely, but possible.

I edited the post you quoted because it was very confusing as originally written.

Loren Pechtel Jun 8, 2012 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719112)
But is she still a Chinese citizen, from the perspective of the PRC government?

No. We applied together, she sent a US passport.

Loren Pechtel Jun 8, 2012 6:14 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719992)
So, the wife can still be considered a Chinese citizen (and from what I presume - born in China), even if she doesn't have a Chinese passport and is traveling with only a US passport now, which means needing a visa.

1) If she were still a Chinese citizen there would be no issue of a visa for her.

2) China doesn't recognize dual citizenship.

3) She's China-born, not Hong-Kong born.

anacapamalibu Jun 8, 2012 8:46 pm


Originally Posted by rkkwan (Post 18719992)
So, the wife can still be considered a Chinese citizen (and from what I presume - born in China), even if she doesn't have a Chinese passport and is traveling with only a US passport now, which means needing a visa.

If a native born Chinese with naturalized US citizenship renounces US citizenship? Do they automatically revert to Chinese citizenship, assuming
they return to China. Could be.

xp0 Jun 9, 2012 11:01 am

I saw someone just post the Beijing 72 hour no visa required...

My China plans are :
NYC->HKG(layover)->PEK | Arrive on July 18th, 2012 11:00AM
PEK->KIX | Depart on July 21th, 2012 10:00AM

Total Hours: Around 71 hours

During this time we are going to be doing a 1 day trip that we will be going from PEK -> XIA -> PEK.
Do we need a visa? How do I find out for sure? Can I call the consulate or something?

After further reading I saw that this has not taken effect yet and China is undecided about the 72 hr limit. Being that we are leaving in July I am thinking we still need to plan to get our Visa's....

Thanks!!

Shimon Jun 10, 2012 10:40 pm

Until someone has confirmed they have got a 72 hour visa do not depend on it.

jiejie Jun 11, 2012 3:44 am

I arrived at PEK about 3 hours ago. Even though I was using regular entry queues not transit, I can confirm that there are no 72 hour Transit Without Visas being given right now--only the 24 hour as per usual. Officers couldn't (or wouldn't) make a guess on when or even if the change will take place...which is the non-committal response I'd expect to get from front line staff. I guess when we see it happen, we'll believe it.

@ xp0: get your visas. I'm not sure it's wise to "play chicken" with the expectation that a new 72 hour limit will be in play by the time of your arrival. And your window of opportunity to get your ace-in-the-hole (visa) before July 1 is narrowing rapidly.

TRAVELSIG Jun 11, 2012 4:27 am


Originally Posted by jiejie (Post 18734721)
I arrived at PEK about 3 hours ago. Even though I was using regular entry queues not transit, I can confirm that there are no 72 hour Transit Without Visas being given right now--only the 24 hour as per usual. Officers couldn't (or wouldn't) make a guess on when or even if the change will take place...which is the non-committal response I'd expect to get from front line staff. I guess when we see it happen, we'll believe it.

@ xp0: get your visas. I'm not sure it's wise to "play chicken" with the expectation that a new 72 hour limit will be in play by the time of your arrival. And your window of opportunity to get your ace-in-the-hole (visa) before July 1 is narrowing rapidly.

Excellent advice.

I would not risk this.

I was transiting through Beijing two weeks ago and received the same response as you have- "don't know when or if...."


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