With echannel - or at least a visa - I'd risk it or say it's a good chance for being doable. With TWOV, good chance you'll missconnect.

However, PEK-PVG definitely has plenty of flights. If the flight on separate ticket Ex-PVG is like 12+ hrs out (or at least something like 6+), I'd not sweat much, they'll need to rebook OP for this domestic PEK-PVG in case he misconnects as they've sold it on a single ticket.

With a bit of pushing from OP, chances for it to work for TWOV are probably approx 30-50%, without pushing, close to 0% I'd guess.

 

Tmk, there are only two flights per day between PEK T3 and PVG, but this is kind of a moot point because if he doesn't make the flight he booked and/or it is delayed, the plan will fall apart.

 

Oh, the move to Daxing and lesser international travel through PVG (and some HSR) really took a dent into PEK (T3) - PVG travel. I see 3 flights per day on that route for most days, but I agree, that's not plenty.

Was thinking about it, and you're probably right, too risky to ask the transfer counter to be put on a later flight, when transfer would still be possible but TWOV taking too long, etc.

The alternative that OP absolutely could do would be booking MAD-PEK-SHA (Hongqiao) - then self-transfer SHA-PVG

I just checked, OP's flight MAD-PEK is arriving into PEK at 6.10am.

He could book the 9.30am or 10.30am flight PEK-SHA, get to Shanghai late morning/lunch, have plenty of extra time in Shanghai (even for sightseeing), and take either an evening or night flight to Tokyo. Anything with a departure before 6.10am next day, from either SHA or PVG (plenty of flights from SHA to either Narita or Haneda)

That would be perfectly fine and compliant with TWOV, and no risk.

 

PEK-PVG has never been a high volume route. If you're in Beijing and you want to go to Shanghai, you fly to SHA, and those flights are operating sort of like the shuttles we used to have on BOS-LGA-DCA. If you want to go somewhere other than Shanghai (e.g. TYO), connecting in Shanghai is never a serious consideration. Things were a little different during COVID when PEK and PKX weren't permitted to accept international arrivals, but even then, PVG connecting itineraries were quite limited.
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Thanking all for the informations. I just read this, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/chin...6-nations.html , if it is confirmed looks like I will have no problems whatsoever

 

Yes, these six countries now join the ranks of Japan and Singapore with 15 day visa free entry (not nearly as sweet an arrangement as the Bahamas, San Marino, and other popular places to stash money), but definitely a step in the right direction.

Now that you don't need to worry about that unforgiving 24 hour clock, you can spend a few leisurely days in Beijing, Shanghai, or pretty much anywhere else in China apart from Tibet. And, you might be able to avoid PVG entirely.

 

I think shimura should play the lottery..

Just the right timing (for something that I doubt anyone was betting any money on) AND he's the right nationality..

Enjoy your holidays in China

 

I had the same thought

 

Just to be clear, do Japanese nationals have the right to visa-free entry to China? They did before the pandemic but I have been told it has not been re-instated. TIMATIC says visa free only for Japanese nationals with an APEC card or travel to Hainan.

 

A Japanese article posted yesterday says that visa waivers for Singapore and Brunei citizens were reinstated in July, but not for Japanese citizens -- this is said to be because the Chinese government is trying to negotiate some other issues with the Japanese government (including Taiwan and semiconductors) and wants to use the visa waiver program as one of its bargaining chips.

https://media.rakuten-sec.net/articles/-/43417

 

wow you should win some sort of FlyerTalk award for this

 

Not been in Asia after covid but now finally in travel mode again 😀
Have been reading wiki here and alot of posts, trying to understand the rules nowadays. Will arrive to Shanghai PVG from CPH with SAS and going direct further to Vietnam or Malaysia. Cheapest tickets from PVG is with Xiamen airlines via FOC or XMN. Will leave China within 24h. Is that working or I will be in some kind of trouble? Thanks!

 

Transit without Visa is possible on this routing IF you have an eligible passport.

 

What do you guys think about the idea of reducing this thread's wikipost by about 80%? The timatic part, for example, is no longer up to date and contains a ton of words. On the other hand, we have invested lots of time in building the wikipost, so I don't want to unilaterally gut it myself. Maybe, we could somehow archive it or start a new thread so the original content is preserved?

My thinking is that a simpler wikipost would be more useful. Furthermore, everyone should do their own timatic searches.

ETA: I also want to point out that most of the wikipost content remains relevant today even though some of it is quite old. It just happens to be a long read, and arguably overcomplicates the process.

 

I'd say, copy the whole wikipost into your first comment (Edit it, you're the thread opener, after all) so it's all "archived" and can be accessed by anyone "historically", then cut down the wiki post massively.

(I'm still pissed they didn't include Switzerland on the new visa free rules..)