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moondog Oct 10, 2022 9:07 pm


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 34670926)
Nov 2023?
That is a year away, anything can happen.

It's conceivable that things might happen next week, but I've been told not to expect many/any material changes (e.g. more flights, shorter quarantine, new visas) until (the first day of) Q2, 2023. Maybe we'll at least get a better picture of the plan after the big meeting wraps up.

Kmxu Nov 11, 2022 4:46 am


Originally Posted by Brostman (Post 34666158)
Entering China from abroad.... original departure is from USA, cruise begins in Singapore with scheduled stops in Bangkok, Cambodia, Viet Nam, Phillipines, and then the cruise is scheduled to terminate in Hong Kong. Desire would be to travel from HKG to Xian to Beijing. This trip is for Nov 2023, but wanted to start monitoring entry requirements now, since I am trying to book return flight to USA on an award redemption, and that reservation window will open in Dec of this year. I understand that the CoVid restrictions are evolving, but if it does not appear to be practicable to visit China, no sense in trying to book an flight

I would book the return flight from China using award miles in December for next November. At least, for United Airlines, there is no re-deposit fees for premier members. I booked an award ticket for next April a few months ago because I can cancel it free of charge (1K member).

italdesign Nov 24, 2022 6:20 pm

Someone claims all 10 year visas are currently suspended. I'm not seeing this on a quick Google searches. True?

Loren Pechtel Nov 24, 2022 10:27 pm


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 34782977)
Someone claims all 10 year visas are currently suspended. I'm not seeing this on a quick Google searches. True?

They were suspended back in 2020. The question is whether they have been reinstated.

moondog Nov 24, 2022 10:39 pm


Originally Posted by Loren Pechtel (Post 34783240)
They were suspended back in 2020. The question is whether they have been reinstated.

I was previously under the impression that they will not be reinstated, but someone brought up reciprocity upthread, and I could see this being an issue. On the other hand, if the country remains mostly closed, they can run out the ten year clock for many people. However, if you get a new visa (probably short duration single entry), your existing visa will be cancelled anyway.

On a semi related note, do any of you guys know if eChannel still exists? I'm flying out next week, and it would be nice to use it. I've heard from posters in the HK forum that it's up and running there again (your old bar code works).

travelinmanS Nov 25, 2022 12:49 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 34783248)

On a semi related note, do any of you guys know if eChannel still exists? I'm flying out next week, and it would be nice to use it. I've heard from posters in the HK forum that it's up and running there again (your old bar code works).

The machines are still there, covered in plastic. You will have absolutely no chance of actually using these machines. Have a safe trip!

Loren Pechtel Nov 25, 2022 1:53 pm


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 34783248)
I was previously under the impression that they will not be reinstated, but someone brought up reciprocity upthread, and I could see this being an issue. On the other hand, if the country remains mostly closed, they can run out the ten year clock for many people. However, if you get a new visa (probably short duration single entry), your existing visa will be cancelled anyway.

At the time they said "suspended", not "cancelled". I had figured that when they reopen they'll reinstate the visas if their clocks haven't run out.

mikeinchina Dec 18, 2022 3:23 pm


Originally Posted by italdesign (Post 34782977)
Someone claims all 10 year visas are currently suspended. I'm not seeing this on a quick Google searches. True?

When I was told I can apply for a visa in August, the consulate here in the USA said, my current 10 year visa was cancelled (all were) when they announced the closing of the country. I was only given a single entry visa to come back this year. It may change in the future, the number of entries, length, etc. but I am almost certain the old visas are toast.

narvik Dec 19, 2022 7:05 am


Originally Posted by mikeinchina (Post 34844974)
When I was told I can apply for a visa in August, the consulate here in the USA said, my current 10 year visa was cancelled (all were) when they announced the closing of the country. I was only given a single entry visa to come back this year. It may change in the future, the number of entries, length, etc. but I am almost certain the old visas are toast.

ALL visa's issued before 26 March 2020 were SUSPENDED, not canceled.
The reason why it's important to make a distinction between SUSPENDED and CANCELED, is because they DID un-suspend residency permits in September 2020.
there is speculation that -technically- they could indeed un-suspend the tourist visas, if they wanted to, as there now is precedent.
If you look at the announcement where they un-suspended Residency permits The notice on the Announcement on Entry by Foreign Nationals Holding Valid Chinese Residence Permits of Three Categories
they mention:
"The entry by foreign nationals holding Visas issued before March 26 Announcement <broken link removed> are still temporarily suspended."

I bolded the interesting word of TEMPORARILY in that statement.

gudugan Dec 27, 2022 7:24 pm

Ok, I read the posts back up to ~2018 or so.
  • Houston consulate was closed in July 2020. Everything from that jurisdiction is now under DC jurisdiction: https://www.visarite.com/china_visa_...risdiction.htm
  • Some suggested visa agents were mychinavisa, chinavisasolutions, freechinavisa [not actually free]
  • There's a new entrepreneur visa 创业签证 since 2018, not too much info on this out there.
  • Seems like no real tangible benefit for M (business) visa over L (tourist) visa
  • The "set up a WFOE to get yourself a RP" route might still exist after visa reissuance starts again normally? Who knows?

moondog Dec 27, 2022 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by gudugan (Post 34869502)
Ok, I read the posts back up to ~2018 or so.
  • Some suggested visa agents were mychinavisa, chinavisasolutions, freechinavisa [not actually free]

Their advice is presumably free. I used to get my visas in person at the DC PRC consulate (as well as LA and SF), but now I'd be fine with paying $100-$200 for asking someone else to help.

There's a new entrepreneur visa 创业签证 since 2018, not too much info on this out there.
I'm pretty sure the rug was pulled out from this one.

Seems like no real tangible benefit for M (business) visa over L (tourist) visa
M permits you to conduct business but not actually work. This means you're in the clear if you work for the NY branch of McKinsey and want to conduct meetings in the Shanghai office.

The "set up a WFOE to get yourself a RP" route might still exist after visa reissuance starts again normally? Who knows?
I presume this avenue was open throughout the pandemic (except for when relevant government offices were closed). My own experience with this journey was probably far more painful than it needed to be, but the first one was really hard (e.g. set up HK company and Shanghai company with bank accounts and registered offices for each, visit to the US department of state in order to get documents Medalion seals, translate all of my diplomas, a letter from an attorney, medical check). This is where Vincent and Scott came in handy; their fee for year 1 was certainly steep, but since then, it's been smooth sailing (e.g. 5 years for the second RP, and they only charged Y2500 for this).

gudugan Dec 28, 2022 12:32 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 34869932)
M permits you to conduct business but not actually work. This means you're in the clear if you work for the NY branch of McKinsey and want to conduct meetings in the Shanghai office.

I have a US passport and an APEC card. However the US is a transitional economy in ABTC so the card is mostly useful for expedited entry rather than working as a visa.

https://www.apec.org/docs/default-so...rsn=260f0b80_2

Per this chart (which again does not fully apply to the US or Canada), the APEC card cannot be used for tourism to the PRC and can be used for transit only when on business.

Does this mean that it is preferable to have a M visa rather than a L visa? My travel would be partially for business, partially for leisure. But it might be awkward if one shows up with a L visa and an APEC card?

In this case, can a competent visa agent provide an invitation letter for a M visa? Thanks!

narvik Dec 28, 2022 1:56 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 34869932)
This is where Vincent and Scott came in handy; their fee for year 1 was certainly steep, but since then, it's been smooth sailing (e.g. 5 years for the second RP, and they only charged Y2500 for this).

Somehow I just knew that when China opened up again, WFOE & Vincent would make a reappearance!
:)

gudugan Dec 28, 2022 7:53 am


Originally Posted by narvik (Post 34870162)
Somehow I just knew that when China opened up again, WFOE & Vincent would make a reappearance!
:)

To clarify, I don't think this method would have worked during COVID while a PU letter, etc was needed and it was pretty hard/impossible to get in.

However, it very well might work in 2023 and beyond. Considering all options

IluvSQ Dec 28, 2022 9:01 am


Originally Posted by gudugan (Post 34870054)
I have a US passport and an APEC card. However the US is a transitional economy in ABTC so the card is mostly useful for expedited entry rather than working as a visa.

https://www.apec.org/docs/default-so...rsn=260f0b80_2

Per this chart (which again does not fully apply to the US or Canada), the APEC card cannot be used for tourism to the PRC and can be used for transit only when on business.

Does this mean that it is preferable to have a M visa rather than a L visa? My travel would be partially for business, partially for leisure. But it might be awkward if one shows up with a L visa and an APEC card?

In this case, can a competent visa agent provide an invitation letter for a M visa? Thanks!

I am Canadian, with APEC card, and also travel to China for a mix of business and personal reasons. Over 40 years, I have been issued
a mix of L and/or M visas, and currently hold a suspended 10 year M visa.
I have entered on both L and M for business reasons, and on both L and M for personal reasons.
In the years that I have had an APEC card, I have always displayed it at immigration for faster entry/exit regardless
of traveling for business or pleasure.
I think you are overthinking this. In general, if you get your visa with an invitation from a company, you will generally get an M Visa.
If you apply on a personal basis, you will generally get an L visa.
But you can certainly visit family or tour on an M visa, and you can certainly hold business meetings when on a L visa.


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