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moondog Jul 28, 2016 3:19 am


Originally Posted by Insiderdude (Post 26979737)
Quick question: I currently have a 10 year L tourist visa (with 8 years left). I have to go to PEK/PVG to give a few speeches for my professional association (completely voluntary), and otherwise not doing anything for profit or for my company/clients. Can I enter on my L visa or do I have to go get a separate 10 year business visa? (I'll be doing this for the next few years, visiting China on behalf of the professional association 1-2x/year, thus needing multiple entries for this purpose). I saw some posts here where 10 year business visa holders went in for tourism and were ok, but what about the other way around (if giving speeches for a volunteer role even qualifies as business to begin with)?

I would not sweat this.

889 Jul 28, 2016 4:59 am

You can do tourist stuff on an M visa, but business stuff on a L visa you shouldn't do. I'd certainly never check anything other than "sightseeing" on the entry form with an L visa.

If this is going to be going on for a few years, just put your mind at ease and get an M visa. That'll mean they'll cancel your existing L visa.

moondog Jul 28, 2016 5:28 am


Originally Posted by 889 (Post 26980135)
You can do tourist stuff on an M visa, but business stuff on a L visa you shouldn't do. I'd certainly never check anything other than "sightseeing" on the entry form with an L visa.

If this is going to be going on for a few years, just put your mind at ease and get an M visa. That'll mean they'll cancel your existing L visa.

The "speeches" aspect is the only thing that gives me pause. If the speeches are semi official, I could see potential problems, but if they are informal and not widely publicized, I think not a very big deal.

gpia Jul 28, 2016 10:13 pm

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Originally Posted by 889 (Post 26980135)
I'd certainly never check anything other than "sightseeing" on the entry form with an L visa.

On this topic, does anyone of you know when "Visit 访问" is appropriate? Can't be visiting friends, as there's a separate box for that. And if I wanted to cross the land border to Shenzhen for a massage, this would surely be done "in leisure".

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JPDM Jul 28, 2016 10:27 pm

You're overthinking this. Just click leisure.

gpia Jul 28, 2016 10:34 pm


Originally Posted by JPDM (Post 26984711)
You're overthinking this. Just click leisure.

I always tick leisure. But I am still curious, as I've asked a couple of Chinese friends and nobody had any idea.

Insiderdude Jul 29, 2016 1:23 am


Originally Posted by 889 (Post 26980135)
You can do tourist stuff on an M visa, but business stuff on a L visa you shouldn't do. I'd certainly never check anything other than "sightseeing" on the entry form with an L visa.

If this is going to be going on for a few years, just put your mind at ease and get an M visa. That'll mean they'll cancel your existing L visa.

Thanks for the replies: So they will cancel my multientry L visa if I apply for a multientry M visa? Does anyone have (or seen an example of) both in their passports?

889 Jul 29, 2016 3:32 am

You cannot have two active Chinese visas in your passport.

The U.S., on the other hand, will let you have two active visas, so long as they are different types.

moondog Jul 29, 2016 3:35 am


Originally Posted by Insiderdude (Post 26984995)
Thanks for the replies: So they will cancel my multientry L visa if I apply for a multientry M visa? Does anyone have (or seen an example of) both in their passports?

Assuming you're okay with 60 days per stay, your m visa should also be 10 years, in which case your L visa will be pretty much useless anyway (because it would expire first).

sooperscoop Aug 1, 2016 11:57 pm


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 26903391)
Also, as a UK citizen I would now be eligible for the 2 year Visa, does anyone have any experience getting this while applying from another country? It would be annoying to get charged the higher UK fee (which is flat across all visa categories, i.e. single/double/multi), and still only get a single entry Visa - but I'm guessing I don't have much choice in the matter (I won't be in the UK until after my China trip).


Originally Posted by m3red (Post 26931299)
We are both travelling to the uk soon and was wondering if it would make a difference if we got the visa in London or in Dubai.

To answer televisor and of interest to m3red, I understand the 2-year L multi for Brits is only issued in the UK. I live in Korea and I ask the visa place everytime and they say no, 2 entry L only.

I'd love it if someone could prove me wrong. :)

televisor Aug 2, 2016 7:21 am


Originally Posted by sooperscoop (Post 27001857)
To answer televisor and of interest to m3red, I understand the 2-year L multi for Brits is only issued in the UK. I live in Korea and I ask the visa place everytime and they say no, 2 entry L only.

I'd love it if someone could prove me wrong. :)

Sigh... Did you still have to pay the full reciprocal UK fee, or did you get the lower "other nationalities" fee? (Complete bummer if it's the full fee, since we get the same fee across all Visa types it seems.)

I will be testing this soon myself, but still interesting to know other experiences, and who knows, maybe consulates in different countries differ in what they do (I can imagine there being more Brits in the US, but that could just be my wonky intuitions).

moondog Aug 2, 2016 8:20 am

UK and US citizens always pay full blown fees for PRC visas no matter where they apply. The type of visa has no bearing on price (for the most part).

televisor Aug 2, 2016 8:59 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 27003223)
UK and US citizens always pay full blown fees for PRC visas no matter where they apply. The type of visa has no bearing on price (for the most part).

It does for "other nationalities" - $30 for single entry, $60 for double, more for multi. And my local consulate doesn't even list UK citizen prices, which is why I'm trying to figure out what they'll charge me. Its a bummer if I get charged an exorbitant reciprocal fee without getting reciprocal service. (Reciprocal being the 2 year Visa UK/Chinese citizens get for each others countries.) Not that I can do much about it, but still...

moondog Aug 2, 2016 9:09 am


Originally Posted by televisor (Post 27003405)
It does for "other nationalities" - $30 for single entry, $60 for double, more for multi. And my local consulate doesn't even list UK citizen prices, which is why I'm trying to figure out what they'll charge me. Its a bummer if I get charged an exorbitant reciprocal fee without getting reciprocal service. (Reciprocal being the 2 year Visa UK/Chinese citizens get for each others countries.) Not that I can do much about it, but still...

Right, but "other nationalities" is only relevant if you happen to be one. For me, as a US citizen, a zero entry exit visa is the exact same price as a 10 year M visa.

televisor Aug 2, 2016 9:11 am


Originally Posted by moondog (Post 27003440)
Right, but "other nationalities" is only relevant if you happen to be one. For me, as a US citizen, a zero entry exit visa is the exact same price as a 10 year M visa.

That still doesn't tell me whether the chinese consulate in the US will look up prices for UK citizens, or will treat me as a person with "other nationality" - if they don't care enough about reciprocity to issue me a 2 year Visa, then they might (shouldn't?) care enough to look up and charge me the reciprocal fee either.


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