Domestic airfare
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How about the CAN option? CZ runs a relatively tight ship there for I-to-D connections.
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Planning my first ever trip to China for next year around Easter time and have learnt too that flights get cheaper closer to the time and not the other way round like in most parts of the world.
My Mandarin teacher is recommending booking through WeChat which luckily offers an English version of their flight booking engine as my Mandarin is still very basic, even after weekly lessons for over three years now. Does anyone have experience booking through WeChat? As an airplane nerd I’m thinking booking business class fares ideally on the few wide-body flights that can be found on the major routes rather than going on the train.
My teacher also knows that I’m a bit of a princess when it comes to travel so he warmly recommended to chose the plane over train which I think says it all
My Mandarin teacher is recommending booking through WeChat which luckily offers an English version of their flight booking engine as my Mandarin is still very basic, even after weekly lessons for over three years now. Does anyone have experience booking through WeChat? As an airplane nerd I’m thinking booking business class fares ideally on the few wide-body flights that can be found on the major routes rather than going on the train.
My teacher also knows that I’m a bit of a princess when it comes to travel so he warmly recommended to chose the plane over train which I think says it all
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I prefer ctrip to WeChat, simply because it's less dependent on mobile. Why does your teacher prefer WeChat? I'm guessing your fondness of business class might wane a bit when you start to encounter y300 v y3000 (extreme example, but still fairly common) decisions.
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The routes I am looking at are Shanghai-Beijing, Beijing-Chengdu and Chengdu-Shanghai and close to the date, they seem all to range between 1500 and 2000 RMB which seems more than fair to me for a 2-3 hour flight in Business class. Would be way more here in Australia.
On that note- if anyone has advice on which airlines to chose or can point me to an article or blog that gives some information on that topic, I’d be very grateful. Quite difficult to find info on that from outside China I find and my teacher is an Economy kind of guy.
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Not sure why- he seems to think that just doing everything on WeChat is the easiest way to go (heard similar from some friends who hail from mainland China) but will check out ctrip, thanks for the advice.
The routes I am looking at are Shanghai-Beijing, Beijing-Chengdu and Chengdu-Shanghai and close to the date, they seem all to range between 1500 and 2000 RMB which seems more than fair to me for a 2-3 hour flight in Business class. Would be way more here in Australia.
On that note- if anyone has advice on which airlines to chose or can point me to an article or blog that gives some information on that topic, I’d be very grateful. Quite difficult to find info on that from outside China I find and my teacher is an Economy kind of guy.
The routes I am looking at are Shanghai-Beijing, Beijing-Chengdu and Chengdu-Shanghai and close to the date, they seem all to range between 1500 and 2000 RMB which seems more than fair to me for a 2-3 hour flight in Business class. Would be way more here in Australia.
On that note- if anyone has advice on which airlines to chose or can point me to an article or blog that gives some information on that topic, I’d be very grateful. Quite difficult to find info on that from outside China I find and my teacher is an Economy kind of guy.
RE: where to book
Yeah, there's a few people who try and do as much as possible all within WeChat. Never quite understood their fascination; it's not difficult to switch apps.
In the end it won't make much difference where you book. Choose a site/app that you find easy to navigate. Pricing will be pretty much the same no matter what.
As long as they offer booking options (insurance, cancellation options, etc.) and offer a good customer service avenue if something goes wrong, you should be fine.
I like ctrip/trip myself.
RE: train vs. plane
If you are dong all those trips, you should at least try the train for one of those. All those trip-lengths are within where I'd consider the train vs. plane, with Beijing/Shanghai an overall wash, as far as door-to-door trip length is concerned (depending on your actual origin and destination of course).
On the high-speed trains, Business class has really nice seats and small, cozy cabins: business class seat is above First Class, unlike on the plane, where it's the other way around.
Business class train price should be about First class plane equivalent.
RE: which airline
This may depend: are you a member of any loyalty program already? If yes, you could try and choose an airline that is in the same alliance.
Otherwise, I'd say they're pretty much all about the same. I like Hainan Airlines.
But you may find the airline specific to the region you're traveling to offers the best schedules.
ADDED: oh, I see your profile lists QF, BA and SQ. No Chinese Oneworld member, I'm afraid (China Southern may join as a partner but hasn't yet). Air China and Shenzhen are in Star Alliance like SQ.
Also keep in mind, that all those cities you mentioned each have two major airports (the latter being the more 'domestic' one):
Beijing: PEK and PKX
Shanghai: PVG and SHA
Chengdu: TFU and CTU
Last edited by narvik; Dec 20, 2023 at 1:56 am Reason: added alliance info
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RE: which airline
This may depend: are you a member of any loyalty program already? If yes, you could try and choose an airline that is in the same alliance.
Otherwise, I'd say they're pretty much all about the same. I like Hainan Airlines.
But you may find the airline specific to the region you're traveling to offers the best schedules.
ADDED: oh, I see your profile lists QF, BA and SQ. No Chinese Oneworld member, I'm afraid (China Southern may join as a partner but hasn't yet). Air China and Shenzhen are in Star Alliance like SQ.
Also keep in mind, that all those cities you mentioned each have two major airports (the latter being the more 'domestic' one):
Beijing: PEK and PKX
Shanghai: PVG and SHA
Chengdu: TFU and CTU
I am fully aware of the two airports in each city but to be honest- as an air travel nerd, seeing as many of those massive brand new airports in China is almost (not quite) as important to me as seeing the Great Wall. I’ve majorly irritated my poor Mandarin teacher with this but I still want to experience as much as possible of Chinese air travel.
And yes, I’m a One World loyalist which is the one alliance not found in China (if you count out Hong Kong) but also a member of Star and Sky. Just earning some points isn’t a reason to forgo a nice airplane experience though so not a major consideration. I’ve read elsewhere that Hainan is somehow a step above the rest so will try to book them on at least one of the routes (they do have a lounge in Beijing, don’t they?).
Lounge access will be one of the considerations tbh- don’t want to miss this and unsure which airlines have which lounges. Would think that Business class gets you in somewhere at least but I also got a Priority pass and an Amex Platinum card if that helps in China.
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Lounge access will be one of the considerations tbh- don’t want to miss this and unsure which airlines have which lounges. Would think that Business class gets you in somewhere at least but I also got a Priority pass and an Amex Platinum card if that helps in China.
(Hainan still flies out of T2 at PEK, so pretty 'old'! )
Lounges...err...hmm...overall not great, I'm afraid. Lounges are not super nice in China.
The main ones at PEK T3, for instance, are still worse than pre-Covid. As an example, they offer only some pretty bad Chinese wines and Johnnie Walker Red Label. Food is so-so. First and business class lounges are identical in their offerings (just mirrored in their layout).
Definitely spend some time on prioritypass.com. They do offer access to some smaller lounges & some interesting non-lounge perks, such as 30-minute free massages at PEK and PKX.
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I don’t want to be a Debbie downer but you should aim to minimize your time spent in any airport in China. The lounges are all poor, the places are usually massive and customer unfriendly. The stamping and security sections are ridiculously officious and once you get on board, you’ll have long taxis and waits to take off. When it’s time to land you’ll have to have your seat back upright an hour before touchdown and be prepared for a half hour taxi to the gate, or even better a bus, on arrival and a long taxi/subway ride into town.
China is a great country but its civil aviation experience leaves a lot to be desired.
China is a great country but its civil aviation experience leaves a lot to be desired.
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I am fully aware of the two airports in each city but to be honest- as an air travel nerd, seeing as many of those massive brand new airports in China is almost (not quite) as important to me as seeing the Great Wall. I’ve majorly irritated my poor Mandarin teacher with this but I still want to experience as much as possible of Chinese air travel.
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For anyone not familiar with these airports, not being solely focused on traveling from A to B, and coming from a country where massive airports are far and few between, I think a visit to the new PKX and TFU are definitely worth it and have quite a bit of appeal.
OP already mentioned they are an "air travel nerd", so I ABSOLUTELY recommend a slightly prolonged visit to those airports and enjoy their design and expanse.
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As someone who also likes to check off airports, I happened to go through Beijing Daxing and Chengdu Tianfu this past summer, among others. Massive and flashy does not a pleasant experience guarantee.
Checking-in is still painful, food options are subpar, security checks way too suspicious of my umbrella and Japanese yen, and again, delays are to be expected (be it for military reasons, weather, mechanical, or someone's QR code isn't loading).
It's pretty much like flying in the U.S., but with newer airports and more nebulous delays.
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In any case, I will make sure to report back and leave reviews on every airplane and hotel that I encounter. There’s a severe lack of English language travel reports when it comes to China which is quite astounding. Appreciate all the great tips and advice on here!