Domestic airfare
#16
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Yes that's what I have been told to book Business class as when they started they had First and economy so now Business class is better than the First class. How would you consider the comfort of traveling in Business class on the fast train?
#17
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BTW, I know many people are confused by the business class terminology, but the official English translation is "executive class" on these trains. First class was already a standard product before HSR existed, so they needed something else and got lazy, I guess.
#18
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The train will be more comfortable, and probably faster on average, but it depends a bit on where in Shanghai are you starting from, and where in Beijing are you going to. SHA is co-located with Shanghai's main HSR station. But PEK is quite far from Beijing West. You should optimize for travel time from the transit station to your final destination.
#19
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They copied the European train class system (on the fancier trains like some TGVs), which is Executive (or Business or Premier)/First/Second
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The train will be more comfortable, and probably faster on average, but it depends a bit on where in Shanghai are you starting from, and where in Beijing are you going to. SHA is co-located with Shanghai's main HSR station. But PEK is quite far from Beijing West. You should optimize for travel time from the transit station to your final destination.
#21
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I find the whole train experience less stressful overall than flying.
But it's true that the distance Beijing-Shanghai is just around the cutoff where I'd even consider the train.
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Some of the airports I fly to are almost as chaotic as train stations, but I wouldn't dream of taking trains from Nanning or Guilin to Shanghai (too far), I deal. And, even those airports have decent, if way overpriced, restaurants.
If I do happen to be going to Xuzhou or another non-busy station stop on HSR, then the train is a more civilized experience, at least on that end.
I still enjoy taking slower overnight trains when I'm traveling for leisure because deluxe soft sleepers are quite comfortable, and they have actual kitchens (as opposed to the microwaves G and D trains are stuck with). The Beijing-Shanghai overnight trains used to be quite nice (no deluxe, though), in fact. But, the D trains pretty much destroyed that glamour. Sure they are 2 hours faster than the Z trains they replaced, but just like G trains, they are soulless. I'm not sure why they still exist.
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#25
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I do seem to recall that D prices were significantly higher than T/Z prices during the ~5 year period that D existed and G didn't, but these current prices below aren't a huge leap from what Z cost when it was still offered on SH-BJ. I suppose the potential appeal of the D trains is that you get a (4 beth per cabin) soft sleeper for roughly the same price as a second class (seat) ticket on a G train, and can save on a night's hotel room (endpoints at Shanghai Stn and Beijing Stn are a minor advantage, as well). Regardless of the economics, it's simply not a nice experience. There are definitely still great overnight trains in service today....just not between Beijing and Shanghai.
These aren't even real D trains (which are high speed electrical multiple units capable of at least 250km/h). The 700-series D trains are basically the Z trains (160 km/h max) repackaged to look like a high speed train, but underneath the streamlining it's a locomotive pulling type 25T carriages, same as the Z trains. Chinese railfans call them garbage bins 桶 since they're the same shade of light green as Chinese garbage containers, not white like the EMUs.
There are real D overnight sleepers on Beijing-Guangzhou, Shanghai-Guangzhou, and a few others on the weekends (250 km/h). They're all D9XX. For Shanghai-Guangzhou at least, the prices are 115% of the Z soft sleeper and 210% of the Z hard sleeper, but still cheaper than second class G.
Last edited by boat stuck; Jun 6, 2023 at 2:21 pm
#26
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I do seem to recall that D prices were significantly higher than T/Z prices during the ~5 year period that D existed and G didn't, but these current prices below aren't a huge leap from what Z cost when it was still offered on SH-BJ. I suppose the potential appeal of the D trains is that you get a (4 beth per cabin) soft sleeper for roughly the same price as a second class (seat) ticket on a G train, and can save on a night's hotel room (endpoints at Shanghai Stn and Beijing Stn are a minor advantage, as well). Regardless of the economics, it's simply not a nice experience. There are definitely still great overnight trains in service today....just not between Beijing and Shanghai.
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While we're on the topic of sleepers and pricing, opinions on the Q sleepers (Beijing/Shanghai to HK)? I haven't taken one in a long while and I'd like to give it another go. Although I guess that's not strictly domestic.
#28
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I think the Beijing/Shanghai-Hong Kong Hung Hom "through trains" that used the conventional rail network are permanently gone, now that the high speed rail link to HK is up and running.
#30
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PKX during Covid especially nice!
Last edited by narvik; Jun 13, 2023 at 2:09 pm