Have not yet heard of any "escape communities/protective sequestration" here during the covid-19 crisis. Maybe China has stats on that?

This govt report addresses that issue.
http://chm.med.umich.edu/wp-content/...nza-Report.pdf

“These communities basically shut themselves down,” explains Howard Markel, an epidemiological historian at the University of Michigan who was one of the authors of the study. “No one came in and no one came out. Schools were closed and there were no public gatherings. We came up with the term ‘protective sequestration’, where a defined and healthy group of people are shielded from the risk of infection from outsiders.”
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...he-spanish-flu


In late 1918 the world’s greatest killer – Spanish flu – roared towards Gunnison, a mountain town in Colorado.

What happened next is instructive amid a new global health emergency a century later as the world struggles react to the emergence of a new coronavirus. Gunnison declared a “quarantine against all the world”. It erected barricades, sequestered visitors, arrested violators, closed schools and churches and banned parties and street gatherings, a de facto lockdown that lasted four months.

It worked. Gunnison emerged from the pandemic’s first two waves – by far the deadliest - without a single case. It was one of a handful of so-called “escape communities” that researchers have analysed for insights into containing the apparently uncontainable.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...h-flu-pandemic

As much as I hate the US government, your posts have gotten ridiculous. HK borders Wuhan now? Smoking helps prevent coronavirus?

Do you have a direct line with The Sun?

Domestic transit? Sure. International, no unless you’re a citizen.

Takes less than an hour to shutdown all air travel. It is possible to "hermetically seal" a country's borders in short order.

8:46:40: Flight 11 crashes into the north face of the North Tower (1 WTC) of the World Trade Center, between floors 93 and 99. The aircraft enters the tower intact.
9:42: Senior FAA traffic manager Ben Sliney issues the execution order for SCATANA grounding all air traffic over the United States and diverting any incoming international traffic to alternate destinations.

Yes, because two hijacked airliners flying into a building in the heart of NYC (and two other airliners hijacked at the same time, one going for the White House and other one for the Pentagon!!) are comparable situations....

I agree with heads of state, battling this disease is akin to fighting a war.

Xi declared a "people's war" to fight this invisible enemy by mobilizing the force of the whole country. (Xinhua) march 10 Huoshenshan Hospital in Wuhan

The fight to slow the spread of COVID-19 is “our big war,” Trump said Thursday. “It’s a medical war. We have to win this war. It’s very important.” (Time)
“No matter where you look, this is something—it’s an invisible enemy.”march 16 coronavirus task force press conference

Who first used the metaphor "invisible enemy"? Possibly chinese media.

I love China and used to live there, but i'm really done with Xi and the Chinese media.

They call it a war because they use it to spread China's influence in the world, first they mess up and then they step up like a 'saviour', 'donating face masks'. I'm not buying it, and no one should.
God know for how long that virus has been spreading in China? No one knows because the CCP kept it quiet, just like the Soviets did when Chernobyl happened; saving face is what counts.

Everyone gets mad at Trump for calling it the Chinese virus, but the man is right.

See right there, you put blame where it's due.

...and right there, you did not. That somehow implies that an entire country, or ethnic group, was responsible for covering up the existence of the virus in the first few weeks, and it was not. It was a single political party, NOT any of the above things.

Ground borders are a bit more of a problem, because you can't just tell ATC to not allow pilots to land.

But sealing borders does absolutely nothing if you miss even one case. You're still on the wrong side of exponential growth if you don't follow it up with aggressive testing and isolation/quarantine requirements for people who test positive or come into contact with people who test positive. And despite China talking out of both sides of its mouth (complaining about other countries banning people from China while simultaneously restricting travel within its borders), its ACTIONS show that they're taking this virus seriously, and they still have mandatory quarantine requirements on entry for individuals returning from abroad. The US on the other hand, did this half assed job where they stopped travel from China, except they didn't really because US citizens and LPRs could still enter, and they didn't really have strict quarantine requirements either, AND they never really tested aggressively. Which makes sealing the border pointless, if you're not going to do anything useful with the time you buy from doing it.

Of course I know that, I don't blame Chinese people (even though they are the ones selling wild animals) and I should have formulated that in a different way.
However the virus originated in China and was able to spread because of the CCP, and there is no doubt that this tactic of calling it the 'Chinese virus' is part of a wider campaign against China.

Yes the repatriation would have compromised sealing of the border...unless you quarantined 89,043 Americans on 926 flights from 132 countries and territories,
I assume the repatriated were subject to a 14 day quarantine of some sort.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...12a93fba03.jpg

All individuals arriving should have been quarantined for 14 days, at home if a resident, or in a hotel if a non resident, and tested frequently. If anyone tests positive, he or she should have immediately been removed and put into isolation to avoid infecting anyone else. Basically what every jurisdiction with a sensible COVID-19 control policy (including Hawaii) is doing right now.

Wasn't sure if they required the facility quarantine like the first from Wuhan. Hawaii very strict on violators..jail. fine ..back on a flight.
No dream vacation..2 weeks solitary confinement..

Travelers in quarantine aren’t allowed to leave hotel rooms or residences for any reason except medical emergencies. Hotel guests don’t receive housekeeping services and must arrange for food to be delivered to them.

{https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1188749.shtml}

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Japanese newspaper Yomiuri reported on Sunday that China and South Korea have consulted Japan about easing their border controls on business travelers.

Such a move has been already implemented between China and South Korea.

On May 1, the two countries became the first in the world to open an "express channel" for business executives who test negative for the coronavirus before departure and after arrival, to facilitate the movement of important products and raw materials, reports said.

You need to quarntine in a chinese hotel 14 days, it is 7000 chinese yuan, after that you need to quartine at where you live for another 14 days

Hello all, would love to consult the hivemind's opinion before making a decision:

What's the vibe/gut feeling regarding transit around September time?

Long version:
I was due to travel LHR-PVG-TYO next month with China Eastern. Of course cancelled. I can either get a full refund or move the flights to September. If moved and the foreign entry bans are still in place in September, I will lose the flights. However, I confirmed with my insurance that they will pay me back so money is not a concern.

I've already caught coronavirus and recovered. I don't recommend this experience to anyone. But at least, health is no concern either.

I was also very much looking forward to visiting Shanghai on my 8 hour layover as I have never been. I got the cheapest J tickets one will ever find and will not get this deal again, and this will guarantee my gold renewal or possibly even platinum this year, but all in all it's 3 months from now, which seems like too soon. Still very much uncertain about the whole thing, any opinions welcome!

latest news suggests travel restrictions won't be lifted until October at the earliest

https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/20...hrough-october

Extremely unlikely international tourists will be welcome back anytime soon. And visiting during a layover just isn't going to happen as the mandatory quarantines will stick around all year which means no 48-72 hour visas, I'm fairly confident of this.

Why not just get a refund now? If you can go in September, it should be clear by halfway through August, and you can book at that time.

That doesn't mean that you can't get it again, unless they prove that immunity lasts for life. And so far, we don't have the data to show that.

Chances are slim to none, and slim left town.

But can say I was 100 % incorrect on prediction of US infection rate. What I thought might be a ripple turned into a tsunami.

Thanks for posting the link. I'm a little unclear about the policy - are tickets available for sale for a person wishing to leave China back to their passport country on one of the 5-One flights? Or are all flights canned?

Anyone can buy a ticket, as long as you have a passport. It's when you check-in for boarding when they check to see whether you have a valid passport and/or visa for entry. The few flights out of China anyone can take as long as they can legally enter their destination, which at check-in they will inspect.

Leaving here isn't an issue (e.g. we can get ourselves to major cities all over the world), but most of us want to be able to come back as well.

Not exactly, many countries have banned transit, or limit layovers to certain countries or visa holders. For example, my Chinese wife tried to layover in Incheon ,but was denied a transit visa.

Your wife doesn't need to fly to Korea unless Korea is her destination. My desired destination is JAX. I don't want to travel until September, so I'm not in a rush to buy a ticket, but PVG-HND-DFW-JAX has wide availability for $750. And, if I want to do a shorter trip, I can swing PVG-JFK-JAX for $2000.

Not really, a lot of countries have banned foreigners. Australia, New Zealand, and Chile, just to name a few.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...47311991ca.jpg

NPR map May15 2020
Mexico open. Nice weather this time of year and beautiful beaches.When will the border open? On Tuesday, acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf announced that the land border with Mexico would remain closed through June 22.

But like the U.S.-Canadian closure order, the Mexican version does not apply to air, rail or sea travel, except for commuter rail and ferry travel.

Mexico said late last week that it would lift quarantine restrictions in less-affected regions starting Monday and begin reopening the rest of the country June 1. But on Saturday, the Ministry of Health recorded 2,500 new cases, the country's largest spike to date.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...us/5220301002/

Is there a sum-up somewhere of the 5-ones flights, ie what destination each country/airline have chosen to keep open?

Is this for repatriation and or cargo surely not for tourism?

Delta Air Lines June 1 and United Airlines June 4 are planning to restart passenger flights to mainland China , four months after all routes were suspended following the outbreak of COVID-19.

Delta intends to offer daily service to Shanghai Pudong from both its Detroit and Seattle-Tacoma hubs, subject to government approval.

https://metroairportnews.com/delta-a...enger-flights/

Delta, United to restart China passenger flights in June: report

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/22/c_139076792.htm

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...61c5c66d7d.jpg

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US flights to China resuming June 1
 

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I'm searching PVG-JAX for September, and am coming up with Y4000 in economy on DL. This is little more than JL+AA, but I don't think it is bad value.

Pending CAAC approval, the chance is slim.

Current five-one north america flights, 4 weekly between US and China, 6 weekly between Canada and China.

MU: JFK-PVG / YYZ-PVG
CA: LAX-PEK / YVR-PEK
CZ: LAX-CAN / YVR-CAN
MF: LAX-XMN / YVR-XMN
HU: YYZ-PEK
3U: YVR-CTU

The chance is none.

I know you’re more optimistic than I am about this stuff but I think you’d be handing DL 4000 rambos in exchange for a future travel credit.

Looks Like they changed their mind.

CAA approves American Airlines flight plan to China in June

First Financial2020-05-22 21:43:11
https://www.yicai.com/news/100640529.html

Editor: Yin Qingyan

Civil Aviation Authority does not approve the resumption of American Airlines Division China
First Financial2020-05-22 23:01:41

At present, both Delta Air Lines and United Airlines have not received the notice of approval from the Civil Aviation Administration. The reporter then inquired from the authority of the Civil Aviation Administration and made it clear that "there is no reply, but still talking."
https://www.yicai.com/news/100640721.html

It is greater than zero.

Well based upon the above link I was totally wrong :p

I think a reasonable compromise to allow US flights would be to eliminate all tariffs.:tu: