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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 32179261)
I expect China to add more countries to this list very soon, possibly including much of Europe and the USA.
https://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/20...h-risk-flights I would expect China to place a complete ban on entry. Now that it's somewhat being supressed, why push your luck. "Fourteen of the last 20 confirmed Beijing infections have arrived from abroad"....easily avoidable shut down all borders. |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 32215768)
Many hotels here in Shanghai are either closed (e.g. 12 Hengshan), or do not accept foreign guests (e.g Tianping Hotel...right next to my compound). There are still options though. Check ctrip
Shanghai is honestly pretty nice now...no people. The problem is that you are likely face quarantine both here and upon return to your home country. Talking with consulate folks is a waste of time; Shenyang may well be a better option than Beijing or Shanghai, but you won't give any love there |
Originally Posted by moondog
(Post 32215768)
Shanghai is honestly pretty nice now...no people. The problem is that you are likely face quarantine both here and upon return to your home country.
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Originally Posted by bobbytables
(Post 32221962)
how does the quarantine work on arrival in Shanghai? Is it a facility of the government’s choice, or could one find a willing hotel?
The conditions are tightening by the day, as now all of China's new cases are imported. All of China takes this much more seriously than the US (even right now, when there are no more native cases). Shanghai now has 24 countries where all visitors must be quarantined. And 100% of travelers must be tested for the virus. I believe you still have a home quarantine option if you're a resident, but I'm guessing that will go away soon as external cases worsen. |
Originally Posted by bobbytables
(Post 32221962)
how does the quarantine work on arrival in Shanghai? Is it a facility of the government’s choice, or could one find a willing hotel?
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Originally Posted by Ricebucket
(Post 32222328)
Of course, you will NOT get a choice in this matter. I guarantee you will not get to mingle with anyone outside of the quarantine system until your 14 days are up. From arrival to your arrival in your quarantine destination, you will be escorted.
The conditions are tightening by the day, as now all of China's new cases are imported. All of China takes this much more seriously than the US (even right now, when there are no more native cases). Shanghai now has 24 countries where all visitors must be quarantined. And 100% of travelers must be tested for the virus. I believe you still have a home quarantine option if you're a resident, but I'm guessing that will go away soon as external cases worsen. |
Originally Posted by bobbytables
(Post 32222424)
thanks... is this a first-hand account or just your opinion? It’s hard to tell. I’m aware of the rules, I was looking for an account of an experience. (As we all know, what the rules say can differ in either direction from what happens when you get there.)
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Here's one report (family of Beijing-based correspondent)
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-the-socially/ |
Originally Posted by Ricebucket
(Post 32222328)
Of course, you will NOT get a choice in this matter. I guarantee you will not get to mingle with anyone outside of the quarantine system until your 14 days are up. From arrival to your arrival in your quarantine destination, you will be escorted.
The conditions are tightening by the day, as now all of China's new cases are imported. All of China takes this much more seriously than the US (even right now, when there are no more native cases). Shanghai now has 24 countries where all visitors must be quarantined. And 100% of travelers must be tested for the virus. I believe you still have a home quarantine option if you're a resident, but I'm guessing that will go away soon as external cases worsen. |
Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento
(Post 32224994)
No native cases, or an excuse to scapegoat foreigners?
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Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento
(Post 32224994)
No native cases, or an excuse to scapegoat foreigners?
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So far, my inquiries seem to show that I'd probably be allowed to do a short trip without quarantine. One hotel said that they would take me, another said they were not permitting guests from Heilongjiang :eek:. This is the official statement from the Beijing government, although I'd note that it is from late February. I suspect that section 2 is the most relevant here.
Several Exceptions for Observation of People Coming to Beijing Date：2020-02-23 Source：Beijing Foreign Affairs Office Epidemic control measures require that from February 14, all the people coming to Beijing should go through a 14-day observation at home or in designated places upon arrival. In view of public concern, detailed rules have been adopted for different groups of people coming to Beijing. First, people who entered Beijing via Beijing Capital International Airport or Beijing Daxing International Airport and haven’t stayed inside the People’s Republic of China in the previous 14 days are exempt from the 14-day home observation. They should fill in the health declaration card at entry control to report their health conditions, have their body temperature checked, wear masks and keep a proper distance from others. Second, those who come to Beijing from other parts of China other than Hubei Province for a short stay, have no fixed domicile or jobs in Beijing and come mainly for sightseeing, visit, business, study tour, or on transit, etc. must comply with hotel check-in requirements, have their body temperature checked when entering and leaving the hotel, state the purpose of their visits to Beijing and provide information on their contacts in Beijing. They must comply with the epidemic control measures taken by their local host organizations if they have such hosts. If they develop fever or other discomforts, they should seek prompt medical treatment and inform the hotel and their host organization of such conditions. Third, for people coming to Beijing for work from other parts of China other than Hubei Province, those who need to work together in a shared workplace should be under closed-off management, take protective measures, and work under observation. Others are still required to go through a 14-day home observation before returning to their jobs. Fourth, for people who work in Beijing and live in satellite towns such as the three counties of Langfang city of Hebei Province, there are no mandatory requirements for their daily commute to and from Beijing, but they need to go through routine inspection when entering and leaving Beijing. Fifth, civil aviation and railway staff who need to travel frequently to other places are required to stay in designated places when they are back in Beijing. Sixth, people under home observation but with special needs such as pregnant women and sick people may, on doctor’s advice, go out for medical treatment. We will address on a timely basis other matters of public concern that might arise in the course of implementing the above rules provided that coronavirus control efforts are not affected. We will announce the appropriate timeframe for lifting these measures as progress in coronavirus control permits.
Originally Posted by travelinmanS
(Post 32206682)
I’m curious about this too but I think from the information I’m hearing secondhand you probably are going to have to quarantine. Are you and American citizen? If so I’d shoot for the consulate in Shenyang as they may be more lenient than the capital especially if arriving from another city in dongbei.
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
(Post 32215236)
Another possibility might be the consulate at Shanghai. In fact, start by looking at your country's list of consulates in China and possibly even Hong Kong and nearby countries, noting that entry and quarantine requirements can change very quickly.
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That's a good policy. 14 day mandatory quarantine. No lodging for foreigners. Pretty much excludes everyone that doesn't own property or has relatives.
Highly difficult to implement a lodging ban in US. Once here no ability to restrict or track movement. Here no temp checks, no mask requirement, no mandatory prepaid quarantine, no qr code to enter buildings or public transportation. Gives new meaning to motto " Live free, or die". |
Originally Posted by seanpodge
(Post 32225603)
So far, my inquiries seem to show that I'd probably be allowed to do a short trip without quarantine. One hotel said that they would take me, another said they were not permitting guests from Heilongjiang :eek:. This is the official statement from the Beijing government, although I'd note that it is from late February. I suspect that section 2 is the most relevant here.
Australian. The new consulate in Shenyang is still under construction and their website directs inquires to Beijing. Not sure if Shanghai would be any better. Besides, Beijing is easier to get to than Shanghai. HK and Taiwan look like they're closed and I don't think Korea would be any easier. These rules are changing daily. For example, Beijing, as far as I know, no longer accepts international flights at PEK. On Tuesday, Shanghai just announced that Hongqiao airport will no longer have international flights, and all Hongqiao flights will redirect to PVG. |
Originally Posted by anacapamalibu
(Post 32225636)
Highly difficult to implement a lodging ban in US. Once here no ability to restrict or track movement. Here no temp checks, no mask requirement, no mandatory prepaid quarantine, no qr code to enter buildings or public transportation. Gives new meaning to motto " Live free, or die".
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