By train: Beijing to Hangzhou
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The map thing is important to me. Like I mentioned above, NJ, SH, and HZ are all the same distance (in terms of flight time) from BJ. But, HZ is a loser unless you do the overnight thing.
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A lot of business and private connections between the two regions from my personal experience.
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If the track runs along the west shore of Taihu and then turns south, then it's very clear. Just find it a bit odd that there is apparently no need to connect a conurbation of 13 million people (Suzhou, Kunshan, Taicang) directly to Hangzhou by HSR?
A lot of business and private connections between the two regions from my personal experience.
A lot of business and private connections between the two regions from my personal experience.
There is supposed to be a plan for "Suzhou-Jiaxing Intercity Railway". When is that completed?
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If the track runs along the west shore of Taihu and then turns south, then it's very clear. Just find it a bit odd that there is apparently no need to connect a conurbation of 13 million people (Suzhou, Kunshan, Taicang) directly to Hangzhou by HSR?
A lot of business and private connections between the two regions from my personal experience.
A lot of business and private connections between the two regions from my personal experience.
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The direct distance between Suzhou and Hangzhou is about 170 kilometres as opposed to the 250 or so via Hongqiao. So with a direct line the trip should be doable in about 45 minutes at current speeds?
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I'd agree with the Chinese logic that speeding up the Nanjing-Hangzhou connection option is a much higher priority than getting incrementally minor improvements on the Suzhou-Hangzhou journey. The latter at 75 minutes is "good enough" for nearly all people, for the foreseeable future.
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Jiangyin is a county level city of nearly 1,6 million people. It is rich, it contains the richest village of Huaxi, and it is important lying on Yangtze river waterfront - and although subject to prefecture level city of Wuxi lies far away from the central districts of Wuxi on lake Taihu.
Looks like Jiangyin-Taicang is a very wealthy conurbation of over 2 million people.
What kind of passenger trains serve them?
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Actually, my personal choice on this route, especially if I wanted the experience and Chinese language practice (and save springing for a hotel night), would be the excellent express overnight train Z9, leaving Beijing Main Station at 19:15 and arriving Hangzhou station at 08:28. Only one intermediate stop in the morning so they roll very steady through the night, and normally very punctual. A soft sleeper lower berth will only set you back about RMB 540. Z's are still great trains even if they aren't HSR.
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Taicang is a county level city of over 700 000 people. It is rich, it is important lying on Yangtze river waterfront - and although subject to prefecture level city of Suzhou lies 60 km away from the central districts of Suzhou on lake Taihu.
Jiangyin is a county level city of nearly 1,6 million people. It is rich, it contains the richest village of Huaxi, and it is important lying on Yangtze river waterfront - and although subject to prefecture level city of Wuxi lies far away from the central districts of Wuxi on lake Taihu.
Looks like Jiangyin-Taicang is a very wealthy conurbation of over 2 million people.
What kind of passenger trains serve them?
Jiangyin is a county level city of nearly 1,6 million people. It is rich, it contains the richest village of Huaxi, and it is important lying on Yangtze river waterfront - and although subject to prefecture level city of Wuxi lies far away from the central districts of Wuxi on lake Taihu.
Looks like Jiangyin-Taicang is a very wealthy conurbation of over 2 million people.
What kind of passenger trains serve them?
I'm actually wondering why there currently are no real urban local trains in the Shanghai/Yangtze Delta area? The choice is subway or HSR, but nothing inbetween apart from taking short journeys on slower long distance trains.
Local trains do not necessary need the highly expensive tracks now laid out for HSR projects so can also target smaller urban areas. I know both Jiangyin and Taican rather well and would not always like to resort to private car to get there.
Still, Suzhou to Hangzhou is a major connection even on the nationwide scale.
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I don't know how much spare capacity remains on the high-speed line Suzhou-Hongqiao-Hangzhou, but it starts to get close to being saturated, I won't be surprised to see a by-pass from Suzhou down to around Jiaxing, and rejoins the existing line towards Hangzhou.
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In which case, you might also leave Beijing as late as 10:00 on G13, arriving in Hongqiao at 14:55 connect to G7317 departing at 15:00 and be in Hangzhou at 15:49.
How are the ticket check arrangements at Shanghai Hongqiao connection from one train to another? Is 5 minute connection practical?
In view of the platform assignment of G13 and G7317?
Quite generally, besides other G trains there is a G train departing Hongqiao for Hangzhou every hour sharp between 7:00 and 21:00, thus the feasibility of a 5 minute connection is of general interest.
(G1 of course has 12 minute connection to the train at 14:00)
Also note this:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_15245177.htm
First discounts ever on CRH. Offered on Shanghai-Hangzhou and Shanghai-Nanjing lines, only in upper classes (premium and business), not all trains, and some will be restricted by advance purchase. So consider what to use for those 49 minutes...
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Since G33 is acceptable for you, it means you can arrive as late as 16:13.
In which case, you might also leave Beijing as late as 10:00 on G13, arriving in Hongqiao at 14:55 connect to G7317 departing at 15:00 and be in Hangzhou at 15:49.
How are the ticket check arrangements at Shanghai Hongqiao connection from one train to another? Is 5 minute connection practical?
In view of the platform assignment of G13 and G7317?
Quite generally, besides other G trains there is a G train departing Hongqiao for Hangzhou every hour sharp between 7:00 and 21:00, thus the feasibility of a 5 minute connection is of general interest.
In which case, you might also leave Beijing as late as 10:00 on G13, arriving in Hongqiao at 14:55 connect to G7317 departing at 15:00 and be in Hangzhou at 15:49.
How are the ticket check arrangements at Shanghai Hongqiao connection from one train to another? Is 5 minute connection practical?
In view of the platform assignment of G13 and G7317?
Quite generally, besides other G trains there is a G train departing Hongqiao for Hangzhou every hour sharp between 7:00 and 21:00, thus the feasibility of a 5 minute connection is of general interest.
I'd personally choose a G train heading all the way from Beijing to Hangzhou, and forego the "pleasure" of a two-train connection sequence.
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Frankly, I'd be fine with a connection time of 20 minutes there because: 1) trains are usually punctual; and 2) I've pulled off the subway to to track 1 drill many times inside of 10 minutes. While #2 isn't fun, it is definitely doable, and subway to track 1 entails far more walking than any transit within the train station itself... plus some some long escalators and a security screening.
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Frankly, I'd be fine with a connection time of 20 minutes there because: 1) trains are usually punctual; and 2) I've pulled off the subway to to track 1 drill many times inside of 10 minutes. While #2 isn't fun, it is definitely doable, and subway to track 1 entails far more walking than any transit within the train station itself... plus some some long escalators and a security screening.
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Frankly, I'd be fine with a connection time of 20 minutes there because: 1) trains are usually punctual; and 2) I've pulled off the subway to to track 1 drill many times inside of 10 minutes. While #2 isn't fun, it is definitely doable, and subway to track 1 entails far more walking than any transit within the train station itself... plus some some long escalators and a security screening.
Need less to say, my answer to the 12 minutes' connection proposed above is

