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Seems that its not easy to reach from Kunming. There is no direct flight and i can only book two seperate flights at ctrip.com, not one connection flight.
Train will take 36 hours. What would you do? Fly to Hangzhou and take a 3 hours bus to the mountain? Or book two flights and still need to get to the mountain from the airport? |
Yongshuo is my favourite place in Chine. It is in the South and is not cold in December. The scenery is amazing and if you are into mountain cycling or rock climbing it is the best place to go. You can also spend a day in Guiling, before getting to Yangshou (it's a bus ride).
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Originally Posted by TheVisaMachine
(Post 17405854)
Yongshuo is my favourite place in Chine. It is in the South and is not cold in December. The scenery is amazing and if you are into mountain cycling or rock climbing it is the best place to go. You can also spend a day in Guiling, before getting to Yangshou (it's a bus ride).
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Yes, I was in Yangshou december last year. Maybe I will go there in the future again, but China should be big enough to see something different this time.
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I agree that Yunnan is a great place to visit in December, as is Huangshan. Note, however, that, though neither is Harbin in winter (-22F), they're not exactly warm. If you go up into the mountain areas surrounding Lijiang, you'll need a warm coat (you can actually rent one in Lijiang!). It's rather chilly in the morning though, happily, there are plenty of nice little tea shops you can duck into to warm up. Huangshan is, of course, a mountain ("Yellow Mountain"). I've been there in December. Though, during the day, it's quite comfortable in full sunlight, after dark and at sunrise it's cold.
That said, these are great places to visit (along with Kunmin and Dali) and offer the added bonus of being off-season and not, therefore, too crowded. |
Maybe I should concentrate in one destination. I dont like to be in hurry, so to visit Yunnan should fill two weeks.
I read that I should stay at least two nights in Lijiang, would you stay two nights in Dali, too or is one enough? How realistic is it to buy a train or bus ticket from Lijiang to Dali and from Dali to Lijiang at the same day I want to ride in off season time? Is it recommended to walk along the tiger leaping gorge in this time of the year? |
Originally Posted by 31570324
(Post 17407829)
Maybe I should concentrate in one destination. I dont like to be in hurry, so to visit Yunnan should fill two weeks.
I read that I should stay at least two nights in Lijiang, would you stay two nights in Dali, too or is one enough? How realistic is it to buy a train or bus ticket from Lijiang to Dali and from Dali to Lijiang at the same day I want to ride in off season time? Is it recommended to walk along the tiger leaping gorge in this time of the year? We spent one night in Dali, but could have easily spent more. Dali is more of a city but, like Lijiang, a destination that many Chinese tourists like to visit. Two nights is probably sufficient. I'd also recommend spending time in Kunmin, which you will almost certainly have to travel to anyway if you're going to fly from one of the major cities to Dali. As for getting from Dali to Lijiang, it is a very mountainous area. I can't speak for the train, but I suspect a bus would be a terrifying experience on the narrow and twisty roads. We hired a car to drive us, which turned out very well. The area is home to the Bai people, an ethnic minority with a very distinctive style of dress, including some really elaborate and beautiful tie-dye. There are some shops along the way that sell these and other local crafts at very low prices, and we were able to make some stunning purchases. If you elect a car or taxi, I'd recommend learning the Mandarin for, "Please, not so fast!" :) It is too far a distance, and there is too much to see at both locales to try to do Dali as a day trip from Lijiang, or vice versa. Yunnan is also famous for a distinctive tea called pu'er, which is made from fermented tea leaves. My wife (who is Chinese) likes it, though I have to say it is probably an acquired taste. There are, however, a number of shops that sell pu'er and, for a reasonable charge, can provide a tea-tasting that will allow you to try (and learn about) the various kinds of tea available in the region. Note that this is NOT the infamous "tea shop scam" that is aimed at tourists in Beijing. These are fixed-price tea samplings (with aim towards selling you tea if you like it, though it is not hard-sell -- it's simply available if you want it) and was quite fun for both myself and Mrs. PTravel. |
Thank you. Would you book a flight from Shenzhen to Kunming for 630RMB including Tax or a Flight Shenzhen Chengdu, Stopover for one night and then fly direct Chengdu Lijiang for 1120RMB? Almost double the price but I will get one night in Chengdu and i dont have to visit Kunming two times, only one time to fly to Beijing on the way back. Train Kunming Lijiang cost 218RMB Softsleeper? Could subtract it from the higher costs, so there are only272RMB real difference.
Only the times are not the best, departing 9am in Shenzhen and 7:15 in Chengdu. When should I start from Hongkong Island to Shenzhen airport to arrive there at ~ 8am? |
Originally Posted by 31570324
(Post 17417677)
Thank you. Would you book a flight from Shenzhen to Kunming for 630RMB including Tax or a Flight Shenzhen Chengdu, Stopover for one night and then fly direct Chengdu Lijiang for 1120RMB? Almost double the price but I will get one night in Chengdu and i dont have to visit Kunming two times, only one time to fly to Beijing on the way back. Train Kunming Lijiang cost 218RMB Softsleeper? Could subtract it from the higher costs, so there are only272RMB real difference.
Only the times are not the best, departing 9am in Shenzhen and 7:15 in Chengdu. When should I start from Hongkong Island to Shenzhen airport to arrive there at ~ 8am? Believe it or not, despite visiting China regularly since 1994, I've never taken a train (except for the express from Shenzhen to Guangzhou and back -- my in-laws live in Guangzhou). My wife absolutely refuses to travel by train and, evidently, the Guangzhou express, which is only an hour ride or so, is not typical of Chinese train travel. She says that both the stations and the trains are far too chaotic. As for getting to Shenzhen airport from Hong Kong, it depends on the day of the week. We have a private driver that we use whenever we fly into Hong Kong, as our first stop is always a few days in Shenzhen to visit friends. Because Shenzhen has become a bedroom community for Hong Kong, the vehicle border crossing can take some time. Also, procedures vary -- sometimes I can stay in the vehicle (always a minivan) and we drive through a tollbooth affair equipped with cameras and sometimes I have to get out and wait in line in a building. As I am most often meeting my wife in Shenzhen and don't speak Mandarin, I have no idea as to why the process isn't consistent. The Shenzhen airport, like most modern airports, is a quite a bit outside the city of Shenzhen which, itself, is quite large. My recollection is that it took us about an hour from the center of Shenzhen. For an 8 am departure, you'll be going against traffic, so you won't have to factor that in as you would if your were trying to make a 7 pm flight. Are you transferring directly? If not, I'd recommend over-nighting in Shenzhen (unless you've never been to Hong Kong). Hotels are less expensive, and Shenzhen has some absolutely extraordinary restaurants. |
Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 17418459)
Are you transferring directly? If not, I'd recommend over-nighting in Shenzhen (unless you've never been to Hong Kong). Hotels are less expensive, and Shenzhen has some absolutely extraordinary restaurants.
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Originally Posted by PTravel
(Post 17418459)
Believe it or not, despite visiting China regularly since 1994, I've never taken a train
ETA: If you search my FT post history with a razor comb, you'll realize that I've dissuaded a handful of people from doing 20+ hour hard rides on hard seats. My position wrt this unchanged, but there are many happy middle grounds (e.g. my 8 hour hard seat trip between Dunhuang and Jiayuguan was pretty close to my breaking point, but I liked it). |
Originally Posted by 31570324
(Post 17407829)
I read that I should stay at least two nights in Lijiang, would you stay two nights in Dali, too or is one enough?
How realistic is it to buy a train or bus ticket from Lijiang to Dali and from Dali to Lijiang at the same day I want to ride in off season time? Is it recommended to walk along the tiger leaping gorge in this time of the year? BTW, Lijiang has by far the best Chinglish signs of any place i've been to in China. |
Try to book the cheap flight from shenzhen to kunming, but ctrip send me an email that this flight is sold out now. So the Transfer Flight via Chengdu to Lijiang is now the best option, almost the same price than I fly to kunming first and take the train up.
Edit: Will book the Chengdu Flight now. A friend will show me the city that day, maybe I can see the much interesting things with a local guide in that short time :) |
Flights confirmed :)
So, now I have to reach a 9am flight from Shenzhen. My Hotel is Ibis North Point, Hongkong Island. First train to Lo Wu start 06:13, journey should take 66 Minutes to the border, so I could be there at 07:19. If it take up to 40 minutes for the border control there will be no chance to reach the flight. So I have to cancel the last hotel night in Hongkong and move to Shenzhen. Is it a good idea to spend the night in the near of the airport or should I stay somewhere else in the city? |
Originally Posted by 31570324
(Post 17424771)
Flights confirmed :)
So, now I have to reach a 9am flight from Shenzhen. My Hotel is Ibis North Point, Hongkong Island. First train to Lo Wu start 06:13, journey should take 66 Minutes to the border, so I could be there at 07:19. If it take up to 40 minutes for the border control there will be no chance to reach the flight. So I have to cancel the last hotel night in Hongkong and move to Shenzhen. Is it a good idea to spend the night in the near of the airport or should I stay somewhere else in the city? |
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