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LessO2 May 10, 2009 2:31 pm


Originally Posted by Flaflyer (Post 11725830)
They're looking for the Easy Big Catch™. :rolleyes: Someone stupid but honest who answers "No problem, I make $5000 profit on every kilo I bring in. . ."

CBP is supposed to be looking for things like drugs, wads of money, etc. Their mission is very different and they earn more respect than the TSA ever will.

And I would shake the hand of the CBP person if he/she decided to give you a cavity search in reply should you ever give that answer.


By the way, to add to the OP, here's a border-crossing story....

OWOSSO, Mich. (AP) - A mid-Michigan woman says she was denied entry into Canada because she is on welfare.

Rose Kelley of Owosso says she has filed a discrimination complaint with the Canada Border Services Agency over its refusal to let her and her two children cross the border via the Blue Water Bridge connecting Port Huron with Sarnia, Ontario.

The 25-year-old Kelley tells The Argus-Press of Owosso that she planned to visit friends and relatives when she arrived at the border May 1. She says she was told to furnish evidence of citizenship, financial support and other documentation, but was denied entry again on May 3.

Kelley says she was told she didn't make enough money and people on welfare shouldn't take vacations.

halls120 May 10, 2009 3:50 pm


Originally Posted by GITU (Post 11725634)
And if I refuse to answer, won't I be creating a mess for myself? I'd feel more comfortable refusing to answer an inappropriate question to say, a police officer, as it seems anything airline related is a grey area and the pax usually loses.

Look at the video I saw on here of the Ron Paul supporter with the cash, for instance...

The correct way to answer that question is "with all due respect, officer, as a U.S. citizen, I do not believe I am required to disclose my income or net worth as a condition for re-entering the United States."

graraps May 10, 2009 4:02 pm


Originally Posted by halls120 (Post 11726357)
The correct way to answer that question is "with all due respect, officer, as a U.S. citizen, I do not believe I am required to disclose my income or net worth as a condition for re-entering the United States."

That assumes that you are a citizen of the USA, or whichever country (or block of countries, viz. Schengen) it is whose immigration/customs officer is asking you funny questions when attempting to enter. If you aren't, you may be refused entry into said country, or have a lot of time wasted getting interrogated, having your consular officials involved and generally giving as well as receiving tediousness. I've been bullied into answering such questions the first time I got into New Zealand (I have started a thread about it as well, but can't be arsed to search and link). The second time I went prepared and, once they started asking, I told them (in a calm manner) something like "I've come here before and had a somewhat traumatic experience being interrogated by your colleagues, therefore I am only going to answer any questions you may want to ask on the condition that you ask them in a private room with a third officer keeping a written record of the conversation". After a quick word between the officer and his supervisor, I was on my way...

GITU May 10, 2009 4:03 pm

So, as a USC, CBP can't interrogate you past that point? Or what would they say next?

halls120 May 10, 2009 4:09 pm


Originally Posted by GITU (Post 11726418)
So, as a USC, CBP can't interrogate you past that point? Or what would they say next?

If a CBP officer persists in asking you questions you consider to be inappropriate or illegal, ask to speak to a supervisor. DO NOT be bullied into answering a question that isn't rationally related to the officer's responsibilities.

GITU May 10, 2009 4:14 pm

Is there a list somewhere of OK questions and not-OK questions that can be asked?

I'm guessing "Where do you go to school?" "Where do you live?" "Which street?" is OK.

halls120 May 10, 2009 4:26 pm


Originally Posted by GITU (Post 11726464)
Is there a list somewhere of OK questions and not-OK questions that can be asked?

I'm guessing "Where do you go to school?" "Where do you live?" "Which street?" is OK.

Here are the relevant provisions of 8 CFR 235.1


TITLE 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER I - DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY

SUBCHAPTER B - IMMIGRATION REGULATIONS

PART 235 - INSPECTION OF PERSONS APPLYING FOR ADMISSION

235.1 - Scope of examination.

(a) General. Application to lawfully enter the United States shall be made in person to an immigration officer at a U.S. port-of-entry when the port is open for inspection, or as otherwise designated in this section.

(b) U.S. citizens. A person claiming U.S. citizenship must establish that fact to the examining officer's satisfaction and must present a U.S. passport if such passport is required under the provisions of 22 CFR part 53. If such applicant for admission fails to satisfy the examining immigration officer that he or she is a U.S. citizen, he or she shall thereafter be inspected as an alien.

........

(d) Alien applicants for admission. (1) Each alien seeking admission at a United States port-of-entry must present whatever documents are required and must establish to the satisfaction of the inspecting officer that the alien is not subject to removal under the immigration laws, Executive Orders, or Presidential Proclamations, and is entitled, under all of the applicable provisions of the immigration laws and this chapter, to enter the United States.

(i) A person claiming to have been lawfully admitted for permanent residence must establish that fact to the satisfaction of the inspecting officer and must present proper documents in accordance with 211.1 of this chapter.

.......


I don't see anything about income or net worth mentioned here.

GITU May 10, 2009 4:35 pm

Thank you, halls!

Self_Loading_Ballast May 10, 2009 4:36 pm

CBP's job would be easier if they didn't act like a Saudi-style Morality Police
 
Yes, CBP have a hard job. Their job would be a little easier if puritanical American laws didn't give them an excuse to play Vice Squad at the border.

"Fishing expedition" interrogations? Inspecting files on your laptop computer and PDAs? Body cavity searches? It seems that you read about these things happening at the US border far more than anywhere else. I agree that it's all quite 'legal', but it's hardly consonant with our self-proclaimed status as the "Land of the Free."

I_Can_Fly_US_Airways May 10, 2009 4:55 pm

There's A Easy Solution...
 
I would suggest you get Global Entry. No interview & takes less than 1 minute to go through CBP!

Elite Status Is Not A Matter of Life and Death...It's Much More Important Than That!

GITU May 10, 2009 4:56 pm


Originally Posted by I_Hate_US_Airways (Post 11726628)
I would suggest you get Global Entry. No interview & takes less than 1 minute to go through CBP!

Elite Status Is Not A Matter of Life and Death...It's Much More Important Than That!

Really? I thought GOES required an interview and was only at 5 or so airports?

law dawg May 10, 2009 5:08 pm

As far as I can tell, there's no prohibition against asking the question and no requirement to answer, either.

triehle May 10, 2009 5:35 pm


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 11726054)
I would shake the hand of the CBP person if he/she decided to give you a cavity search ....[/URL]

uhhh, gross!:eek:

tfar May 10, 2009 5:56 pm

GITU, are you a US citizen? If yes, the question is entirely out of line. Unless you are decked out in full bling paraphernalia there is no reason to ask such a question. I'd at least say "Why are you asking?". If you were suspicious, they could still pull you out for a screening but that question still wouldn't be necessary to ask. It is implied. It could also be given as a reason when you ask them why they are checking you. "Sir, it is just somewhat unusual for a grad student to wear croco shoes, a diamond encrusted Gold Rolex and too be accompanied by two Hawaiian Tropic babes." :D

Now, if you are an international student (foreign national studying here), they might ask this question rightfully. They never did for me, though. As an IS you have to prove that you have sufficient means to support yourself without working outside of the university. This is part of the requirements to obtain an I-20 that goes along with the F-1 visa. On the other hand, they almost always ask me where I study and what AFTER reading it on my papers where there is an extra line for these points. I always want to say "Reading comprehension is not too good, is it, Officer?" I never did that, though.

If you wanted to be a bit snooty without attracting too much trouble you could always say that even Plato said the best way of becoming rich was to inherit money. (Because nobody was hurt in the process and no moral vices were committed). Then send him/her on a guilt trip saying you are still mourning the loss of half you family in a car accident. :)

Till

wolfie_cr May 10, 2009 6:01 pm

"I worked at AIG, now I travel around the World"

"ahhhhhh, well that makes sense! " :p


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