LA Times: Photos taken in airplane leads to interrogation
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LA Times: Photos taken in airplane leads to interrogation
From the Los Angeles Times' On The Spot column:
By Catharine Hamm
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 09, 2008
Question: Last fall, three friends and I flew from Lisbon to Los Angeles by way of Philadelphia. On the flight from Philadelphia to Los Angeles, I was showing them my new camera and took a few pictures of our surroundings. A flight attendant came to me and told me to show her the pictures, which I did. On our arrival, armed officers escorted us off the plane, separated us and made us wait for the authorities. They asked ridiculous questions ("What's your eye color?"), and in the end they let us go with no apologies. Why would this happen? Did we do anything wrong?
-- Jose Silva, Lisbon
Answer: In taking photos, Silva and his friends didn't violate any Federal Aviation Administration or Transportation Security Administration rules, their spokesmen told me.
If the use of electronic devices was permitted at that point in the flight, they were in the clear.
In fact, if you look at the photos you'll see that the only thing they apparently did wrong was to use a camera without studying the manual. Ansel Adams he's not.
In a later conversation, Silva said his group complied with flight attendants and wasn't causing a ruckus.
Because the airline would not go back and research the details, we don't have its side of the story.
But assuming that Silva is correct, what could prompt such a reaction?
He said the authorities later told him that these are "sensitive times."
Indeed. But those pictures are hardly a threat to national security and are no different from the images you can find all over the Internet.
Just to see the spectrum, Google "767 interior" and click "Images," and you'll find about six dozen photos.
Silva said the authorities also told him to be careful. One has to wonder how careful he would have needed to be if he didn't, in his words, look Moroccan or Egyptian.
Richard Derk, the photo editor for the Los Angeles Times Travel section, has shot many photos on airplanes, some of which have ended up in these pages.
I asked him whether he had experienced any problems on commercial flights.
"No, never," he said. "I shoot quickly and try not to get in anyone's way, but no one has ever stopped me."
Derk, we should note, does not look Middle Eastern.
Mickey H. Osterreicher, general counsel for the National Press Photographers Assn., also expressed surprise.
"It's hard to believe that somebody didn't call a timeout in the process and say, 'What exactly did this man do?' " Osterreicher said.
"At a certain point, somebody has to use some common sense."
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 09, 2008
Question: Last fall, three friends and I flew from Lisbon to Los Angeles by way of Philadelphia. On the flight from Philadelphia to Los Angeles, I was showing them my new camera and took a few pictures of our surroundings. A flight attendant came to me and told me to show her the pictures, which I did. On our arrival, armed officers escorted us off the plane, separated us and made us wait for the authorities. They asked ridiculous questions ("What's your eye color?"), and in the end they let us go with no apologies. Why would this happen? Did we do anything wrong?
-- Jose Silva, Lisbon
Answer: In taking photos, Silva and his friends didn't violate any Federal Aviation Administration or Transportation Security Administration rules, their spokesmen told me.
If the use of electronic devices was permitted at that point in the flight, they were in the clear.
In fact, if you look at the photos you'll see that the only thing they apparently did wrong was to use a camera without studying the manual. Ansel Adams he's not.
In a later conversation, Silva said his group complied with flight attendants and wasn't causing a ruckus.
Because the airline would not go back and research the details, we don't have its side of the story.
But assuming that Silva is correct, what could prompt such a reaction?
He said the authorities later told him that these are "sensitive times."
Indeed. But those pictures are hardly a threat to national security and are no different from the images you can find all over the Internet.
Just to see the spectrum, Google "767 interior" and click "Images," and you'll find about six dozen photos.
Silva said the authorities also told him to be careful. One has to wonder how careful he would have needed to be if he didn't, in his words, look Moroccan or Egyptian.
Richard Derk, the photo editor for the Los Angeles Times Travel section, has shot many photos on airplanes, some of which have ended up in these pages.
I asked him whether he had experienced any problems on commercial flights.
"No, never," he said. "I shoot quickly and try not to get in anyone's way, but no one has ever stopped me."
Derk, we should note, does not look Middle Eastern.
Mickey H. Osterreicher, general counsel for the National Press Photographers Assn., also expressed surprise.
"It's hard to believe that somebody didn't call a timeout in the process and say, 'What exactly did this man do?' " Osterreicher said.
"At a certain point, somebody has to use some common sense."
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"Silva said the authorities also told him to be careful."
Don't you hate it when reporters do not tell the whole complete story?
There is no doubt in my mind that the actual full quote from The Authorities to Silva was "Be careful, because it's a different world we live in Post 9/11™"
Don't you hate it when reporters do not tell the whole complete story?
There is no doubt in my mind that the actual full quote from The Authorities to Silva was "Be careful, because it's a different world we live in Post 9/11™"
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He said the authorities later told him that these are "sensitive times."
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I'm surprised he allowed the FA to see the photos - I certainly wouldn't have, since the FA had no right to see them. Customs agents at an international border would have that right, but not someone serving drinks.
Thank you for posting this story - I'll make sure to take as many pictures as I can the next time I'm on a US flight. I'll dare them to show me where it says that it's not allowed!
Thank you for posting this story - I'll make sure to take as many pictures as I can the next time I'm on a US flight. I'll dare them to show me where it says that it's not allowed!
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I've taken a few photos aboard planes before, and have actually worried some other pax would get alarmed at seeing me do so, call the FA, and cause a scene. Sad.
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I see people video taping sections of their flight and it's no problem.
But here again we have at least one nervous nelly fool imagining a terrorist threat where none actually exists and subsequently the person/persons waste time/resources as law enforcement responds to investigate a legal activity. Idiots.
But here again we have at least one nervous nelly fool imagining a terrorist threat where none actually exists and subsequently the person/persons waste time/resources as law enforcement responds to investigate a legal activity. Idiots.
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It seems to be inconsistent. On an MSP-PDX flight two years ago, I asked the FA for permission to tape some breathtaking night footage outside the airplane as we flew in the 10 PM hour. There was a full moon, stars everywhere and on high gain the images were just awesome. This is with a FULL SIZED broadcast television camera,
http://www.ikegami.com/image_j/hdlv90.jpg
and there was no problem at all! In fact, she was interested to know how well it came out shooting through the windows at night.
One airline, I think it is AA, specifically prohibits "professional" TV cameras while allowing consumer camcorders in flight above 10k. Last time I think they even specifically prohibited ANY photography--still, film or video--of their "aircraft, personnel or procedures".
Personally, I think it is a control issue.
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http://www.ikegami.com/image_j/hdlv90.jpg
and there was no problem at all! In fact, she was interested to know how well it came out shooting through the windows at night.
One airline, I think it is AA, specifically prohibits "professional" TV cameras while allowing consumer camcorders in flight above 10k. Last time I think they even specifically prohibited ANY photography--still, film or video--of their "aircraft, personnel or procedures".
Personally, I think it is a control issue.
--Paul
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One airline, I think it is AA, specifically prohibits "professional" TV cameras while allowing consumer camcorders in flight above 10k. Last time I think they even specifically prohibited ANY photography--still, film or video--of their "aircraft, personnel or procedures".
Personally, I think it is a control issue.
--Paul
Personally, I think it is a control issue.
--Paul