FlyerTalk Forums

FlyerTalk Forums (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/index.php)
-   Checkpoints and Borders Policy Debate (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/checkpoints-borders-policy-debate-687/)
-   -   Ask a SPOTnik (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/checkpoints-borders-policy-debate/858086-ask-spotnik.html)

stinky123 Aug 24, 2008 5:21 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 10251159)
If a pax has such noticeable behavior because of extreme anxiety or paranoid schizophrenia would you like a seat next to them???? :confused:

It doesn't matter whether I'd like a seat next to an extremely anxious person or not--that should not deprive them of the liberty to fly.

doober Aug 24, 2008 5:39 am


Originally Posted by chessman (Post 10250484)
the relevant page is here...part of the justification for shoes off.

The charge of the TSA is limited to "the inspection of individuals and property FOR weapons, explosives, and incendiaries." (Thank you, Trollkiller.)

Cash is none of the above.

Further it is an outright LIE by the TSA to state: it is illegal to carry more than $10,000 cash.

tsadude1 Aug 24, 2008 6:35 am


Originally Posted by stinky123 (Post 10251231)
It doesn't matter whether I'd like a seat next to an extremely anxious person or not--that should not deprive them of the liberty to fly.

I'm not talking about an extremely anxious pax, half the line is in that catagory. I'm talking about extreme anxiety and/or paranoid schizophrenia . There's a huge difference. One will be just fine while the other has potential to stop your flight. Usually extreme anxiety or paranoid schizophrenia pax are brought to the airport on one way tickets because the person with whom they were staying with can no longer handle/deal with them.

knotyeagle Aug 24, 2008 7:14 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 10251369)
I'm not talking about an extremely anxious pax, half the line is in that catagory. I'm talking about extreme anxiety and/or paranoid schizophrenia . There's a huge difference. One will be just fine while the other has potential to stop your flight. Usually extreme anxiety or paranoid schizophrenia pax are brought to the airport on one way tickets because the person with whom they were staying with can no longer handle/deal with them.

And I always wondered why most of my clients purchased for my travel one-way tickets on the last day of my training appointments with them. Perhaps I'm included with the "paranoid schizophrenia" behavior characteristics?

polonius Aug 24, 2008 7:38 am


Originally Posted by goalie (Post 10249741)
emphasis mine: as long as you declare a cash amount in excess of $10,000*, it cannot be confiscated. yes you will be asked a ton of questions but it cannot be confiscated.

*it is $10,000.01 which needs to be reported and not $10,000.00

My point was that if they find 10 000,01 on you, they confiscate all of it, not the 0,01 in excess

doober Aug 24, 2008 8:03 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 10251369)
I'm not talking about an extremely anxious pax, half the line is in that catagory. I'm talking about extreme anxiety and/or paranoid schizophrenia . There's a huge difference. One will be just fine while the other has potential to stop your flight. Usually extreme anxiety or paranoid schizophrenia pax are brought to the airport on one way tickets because the person with whom they were staying with can no longer handle/deal with them.

Your description fits most of the people I deal with on a daily basis, not one of them is any threat to the safety of an airplane. Could they go nuts once up in the air - yes, they sure could but for a BDO to interview them and perhaps try to keep them off a plane due to the behaviors they can exhibit is pure and simple discrimination against people with profound disabilities - and not legal.

These are adults, often living on their own and for the most part making their own way in the world. Are they different in the extreme? Most certainly, but that is no reason for them to be treated as suspects at an airport.

And they don't travel on one-way tickets.

Wally Bird Aug 24, 2008 8:19 am


Originally Posted by amejr999 (Post 10250697)
Wait, so if a BDO starts asking inane questions and I ignore them, they can't send me to secondary?

What, you think the TSA is lying ? You don't trust their employees to abide by the SOP ? Why do you hate America ?

Of course they will send you to secondary if they feel like it. You are free to summon a supervisor and/or fill out a complaint. And good luck with THAT.

tsadude1 Aug 24, 2008 8:30 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 10251656)
Your description fits most of the people I deal with on a daily basis, not one of them is any threat to the safety of an airplane. Could they go nuts once up in the air - yes, they sure could but for a BDO to interview them and perhaps try to keep them off a plane due to the behaviors they can exhibit is pure and simple discrimination against people with profound disabilities - and not legal..

BDOs do not have the legal authority to keep people off of planes


Originally Posted by doober (Post 10251656)
These are adults, often living on their own and for the most part making their own way in the world. Are they different in the extreme? Most certainly, but that is no reason for them to be treated as suspects at an airport.

How would you know that a person has such a medical condition unless it was in such an extreme state at that present time?


Originally Posted by doober (Post 10251656)
And they don't travel on one-way tickets..

maybe not all but yes they do

tsadude1 Aug 24, 2008 8:32 am


Originally Posted by knotyeagle (Post 10251456)
And I always wondered why most of my clients purchased for my travel one-way tickets on the last day of my training appointments with them. Perhaps I'm included with the "paranoid schizophrenia" behavior characteristics?

This is an inherent issue with fixed wing drivers :p

Boston_Bulldog Aug 24, 2008 8:45 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 10251262)
The charge of the TSA is limited to "the inspection of individuals and property FOR weapons, explosives, and incendiaries." (Thank you, Trollkiller.)

Cash is none of the above.

Further it is an outright LIE by the TSA to state: it is illegal to carry more than $10,000 cash.


EVERY BANKING TRANSACTION $10,000.00 OR MORE, IS REPORTED TO THE TREASURY and IRS.

Further, when travelling INTERNATIONALLY, a declaration that you are carrying $10,000 OR MORE is REQUIRED by law.

Customs, in turn, reports the information to the Treasury and IRS.

That's why TSA and Customs can ask in the PERFORMANCE of their official duties, and IF they open your luggage and find large amounts of cash, the question then becomes are you invoved in something illegal and money-laundering? Are the bills REAL or counterfeit?

Wire-Transfers and Letters of Credit are much safer instruments for large amounts.

19103_aa Aug 24, 2008 8:48 am

I didn't realize one was no longer allowed to travel if one has a mental disability. Of course, one runs the risk of being gunned down in the jetway is they have a mental illness. Buyer beware.
The mission creep continues; now the TSA serves as the psychiatry clinic.
Talk about roosters running the hen house.

knotyeagle Aug 24, 2008 9:00 am


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 10251754)
This is an inherent issue with fixed wing drivers :p

I've done a bit of rotor-wing training. Everyone one of the instructors (after catching their breath and the normal color returns to their face) told me that I suffer from a known psychiatric disorder called "fixed-wing fixation".

Each one of them told me I might be cured of "fixed-wing fixation" but none of them were professionally qualified to help in my therapy to cure that disorder. And no none of them knew of any other rotor-wing instructors that could help me.:):)

But I did enjoy reading FlyCent's comments about how anything on an aircraft's exterior can handle take-offs/landing and flying at 32,000' therefore can handle someone grabbing on to it for his weight.

I was not aware that TSA screeners (or inspector in this case) got such in depth training on aircraft limits/vulnerabilities.

I still look forward to a BDO engaging in conversation with me to determine my "hostile intent". He won't have a clue how much behavior he'll detect.

hiltonhead Aug 24, 2008 9:31 am


Originally Posted by PHLbuddy (Post 10251804)
I didn't realize one was no longer allowed to travel if one has a mental disability. Of course, one runs the risk of being gunned down in the jetway is they have a mental illness. Buyer beware.
The mission creep continues; now the TSA serves as the psychiatry clinic.
Talk about roosters running the hen house.

Talk about ridiculous inflammatory comments to justify a personal bias.

Wally Bird Aug 24, 2008 9:58 am


Originally Posted by Boston_Bulldog (Post 10251793)
EVERY BANKING TRANSACTION $10,000.00 OR MORE, IS REPORTED TO THE TREASURY and IRS.

Further, when travelling INTERNATIONALLY, a declaration that you are carrying $10,000 OR MORE is REQUIRED by law.

Customs, in turn, reports the information to the Treasury and IRS.

That's why TSA and Customs can ask in the PERFORMANCE of their official duties, and IF they open your luggage and find large amounts of cash, the question then becomes are you invoved in something illegal and money-laundering? Are the bills REAL or counterfeit?

Wire-Transfers and Letters of Credit are much safer instruments for large amounts.

None of which has the slightest legal (or moral) relevance* to someone flying domestically. But you knew that.

(*absent a specific and limited BOLO)

goalie Aug 24, 2008 11:10 am


Originally Posted by polonius (Post 10251549)
My point was that if they find 10 000,01 on you, they confiscate all of it, not the 0,01 in excess

no, they cannot confiscate what is legal only what you did not declare


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 3:06 pm.


This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.