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maniac78 Apr 28, 2008 1:54 pm

Quiet protest
 
Other than marking your freedom bag with a funny slogan, is there any other ways to protest ridiculus security screening procedures without getting denied entry into the fortress of doom?

sbm12 Apr 28, 2008 2:10 pm

Refuse to show my ID to anyone.

Educate the world as best I can about how stupid the policies are and, more importantly, what they actually are. The fact that the TSA still insists ID is "required" when in reality it is meerly requested is a great example of why we need to do a better job of educating others rather than just bemoaning the situation around here.

maniac78 Apr 28, 2008 2:13 pm

Any Canadians know if ID checking is optional at Canadian airports as well?

Edit: Nevermind Canadians DO : http://www.passengerprotect.gc.ca/identity.html. Funny, most Canucks say America is like a police state and yet we're the ones that required ID to fly and the US doesn't.

Wally Bird Apr 28, 2008 2:27 pm


Originally Posted by maniac78 (Post 9646004)
Any Canadians know if ID checking is optional at Canadian airports as well?

CATSA (security) do not require or demand to see your ID*, although they will probably look at it if you voluntarily give it to them as most people seem to do. For domestic and international flights, the airlines will require ID at check-in and (in most cases) boarding.

Transborder (to the US) with preclearance you have to provide ID to the US ICE (Immigration) officer before admittance even to the security check.

* they are in fact prohibited by law from doing so, and unlike the TSA do not make up the rules for themselves. Mostly.

maniac78 Apr 28, 2008 2:28 pm

In the US you can fly domestically without ID. In Canada you cannot according to Transport Canada regulations. Anyway the question was is there any way to make their jobs harder and still fly?

thegeneral Apr 28, 2008 3:16 pm

You should also add in without slowing down all of those people behind you to your pointless activity. It would be sort of ironic if you came up with ideas on how to protest about how slow security policies have made things by slowing down security policies even more.

maniac78 Apr 28, 2008 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by thegeneral (Post 9646428)
You should also add in without slowing down all of those people behind you to your pointless activity. It would be sort of ironic if you came up with ideas on how to protest about how slow security policies have made things by slowing down security policies even more.

Actually I think slowing down security is precisely what's needed. If it starts to take hours to get through security I think you'll see some changes.

NoClu Apr 28, 2008 3:20 pm

Genral,

As others will point out... Slowing things down for everyone is a legit form of protest. In fact, not showing ID is actually just following the rules. Not the rules that the powers that be want you to, but following the rules to make a point. ID does not equal security.

sbm12 Apr 28, 2008 3:26 pm


Originally Posted by maniac78 (Post 9646454)
Actually I think slowing down security is precisely what's needed. If it starts to take hours to get through security I think you'll see some changes.

:-: ^ :-: ^ :-: ^
Indeed, this may just be the only way change can come. Civil disobedience has to affect everyone, not just those protesting and their "oppressors" or it is actually rather ineffective. A diner sit-in affected the diner owner and its patrons, in addition to those sitting there. The march to vote in Texas earlier this year disrupted traffic on the highway, in addition to those marching. You get the idea.

I do not go out of my way to be slower above and beyond the SSSS process (though I do require clean gloves), but I will continue to make things more difficult for the TSA, consuming their resources in hopes that others are also affected and begin to demand change.

maniac78 Apr 28, 2008 3:52 pm

So I think one way I'll protest is by presenting the GA with my library card and my health card which are both government issued. They'll surely stop me and say I need photo ID to which I'll respond read the regs again which will surely slow down boarding.

I'll also give the CATSA guy my printed boarding card and I'll ask him or her to keep it or throw it away as I've made several copies. I'll "forget" to take out the freedom bag and I'll have the usual "this bag is keeping us all safe" written on it. All electronics will remain in my carry on.

I'll put a liter of water in my bag with a label on it saying "medicinal water" on it and see if they like that. If they don't like it I'll stand there holding up the line while drinking the water. I'll not empty my pockets, take off my shoes or anything before going through the brain wave analyzer. Being wanded will ensure my fellow passengers are safer anyway.

oneofthosepeopleyouloveto hate Apr 28, 2008 4:48 pm


Actually I think slowing down security is precisely what's needed. If it starts to take hours to get through security I think you'll see some changes.
Yeah, they'll probably hire more TSOs! :p

Spiff Apr 28, 2008 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by thegeneral (Post 9646428)
You should also add in without slowing down all of those people behind you to your pointless activity. It would be sort of ironic if you came up with ideas on how to protest about how slow security policies have made things by slowing down security policies even more.

That's right!

Don't occupy those lunch counter seats, you might inconvenience others with your pointless activity!

Don't take those seats in front of the bus, you might inconvenience others with your pointless activity!

Don't gather in groups of more than three when holding a protest! You might inconvenience others with your pointless activity.

NotThereYet Apr 28, 2008 5:19 pm

I don't mind a good protest one way or the other, but what if I don't want to miss my plane in the process?

I have once seen a guy hand over two baggies of liquids just squirted into the baggies. The TSO's didn't seem to care, just shrugged there shoulders and ran the stuff through the x-ray. Not the response he was looking for I am thinking.

doober Apr 28, 2008 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by thegeneral (Post 9646428)
You should also add in without slowing down all of those people behind you to your pointless activity. It would be sort of ironic if you came up with ideas on how to protest about how slow security policies have made things by slowing down security policies even more.

I'd love to see you have to stand in line for two hours while people protest. :p

Spiff Apr 28, 2008 5:29 pm


Originally Posted by NotThereYet (Post 9647121)
I don't mind a good protest one way or the other, but what if I don't want to miss my plane in the process?

I have once seen a guy hand over two baggies of liquids just squirted into the baggies. The TSO's didn't seem to care, just shrugged there shoulders and ran the stuff through the x-ray. Not the response he was looking for I am thinking.

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