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MrAndy1369 Feb 23, 2008 8:55 pm

Behaviorial Detection Officer.

Originally Posted by Ari (Post 9303395)
Remind me what a BDO is?

That comment really bothers me. It kind of has that thinly-veiled-threat feel to it. Some people can't help not being able to speak - will they be penalized for this?

Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9300413)
Refusing to talk is your choice. I can't really speak to procedure beyond that.

Was this Deaf person being spotted, or was there a problem with his/her ID?

Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9300413)
I have had someone who is deaf. I happen to know some TSOs and BDOs who sign, so it made my life a lot easier.


tmspa Feb 24, 2008 2:48 am


Originally Posted by Andy1369 (Post 9303484)
That comment really bothers me. It kind of has that thinly-veiled-threat feel to it. Some people can't help not being able to speak - will they be penalized for this?

There is no threat implied, sorry if it could be perceived that way.

No one would be penalized for not being able to speak. As I stated earlier, I would exhaust all resources available to me to effectively communicate with someone.

whirledtraveler Feb 24, 2008 5:25 am


Originally Posted by Ari (Post 9303395)
Remind me what a BDO is?

I've forgotten, but I think the 'O' stands for orifice.

doober Feb 24, 2008 7:44 am


Originally Posted by kaukau (Post 9299789)
Nah: we don't try to psyop anybody. In fact, we transit the same stations so frequently, most of the TSOs recognize us, say hi, and send us on our merry way.

Not that I want to give anyone any ideas, :D but therein lies a flaw in the system. If old grannies in wheelchairs, infants with formula and tiny shoes can be treated as potential terrorists, so should you. What's to say that you've not been setting these people with all your travel through the same station and one of these days you won't carry on something that will go "boom" during midflight?

Cee Feb 24, 2008 9:18 am

What is PSYOP ?

DevilDog438 Feb 24, 2008 9:36 am


Originally Posted by Cee (Post 9305180)
What is PSYOP ?

Military shorthand for Psychological Operations.

tmspa Feb 24, 2008 10:17 am


Originally Posted by dd992emo (Post 9301699)
If you tell us will you have to kill us? You wouldn't know Colonel Flagg, would you?


It's all in 49 CFR 1520, if you're curious, Colonel Mustard.

kaukau Feb 24, 2008 10:21 am


Originally Posted by doober (Post 9304834)
Not that I want to give anyone any ideas, :D but therein lies a flaw in the system. If old grannies in wheelchairs, infants with formula and tiny shoes can be treated as potential terrorists, so should you. What's to say that you've not been setting these people with all your travel through the same station and one of these days you won't carry on something that will go "boom" during midflight?

I didn't say they don't screen us; they say hi, (screen us), and send us on our merry way. I can't work my psyops magic on someone who sees me on a regular basis! :D




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dd992emo Feb 24, 2008 10:49 am


Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9305456)
It's all in 49 CFR 1520, if you're curious, Colonel Mustard.

I read part of it. It says if you tell us you have to inform DOT. Is that short for Dorothy?

Fredrik74 Feb 24, 2008 11:34 am


Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9301564)
I speak some German and on our team (BDO-MSP) we have people who speak Spanish, Russian, Kazak, Polish, Ukrainian, Arabic, Amharic, Somali, French, German, and at least two people who can sign. ;)

No English?

This could explain the JFK employee who tried to order burgers in Spanish and kept on speaking Spanish even though the teenager behind the counter clearly didn't understand. It's funny that the DHS are so concerned about what I am up to and consider me a potential illegal immigrant but still illegal immigrants are employed in the sterile areas of major airports.

Yeah, I know airline employees are not DHS/TSA but anyway.

tmspa Feb 24, 2008 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 9305801)
No English?

This could explain the JFK employee who tried to order burgers in Spanish and kept on speaking Spanish even though the teenager behind the counter clearly didn't understand. It's funny that the DHS are so concerned about what I am up to and consider me a potential illegal immigrant but still illegal immigrants are employed in the sterile areas of major airports.

Yeah, I know airline employees are not DHS/TSA but anyway.

Of course, English. This list doesn't include checkpoint and baggage TSOs I know that, in addition to English, speak Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Tagalog, Farsi, Hmong, Lao, Thai....

The only time I have a problem is when someone speaks idiot. I have yet to find an interpretor. :D

Fredrik74 Feb 24, 2008 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9306047)
The only time I have a problem is when someone speaks idiot. I have yet to find an interpretor. :D

Isn't it a problem when you can't talk to your colleagues and bosses?

I always think it's a problem the TSOs don't bother me more. I am waiting to pretend I don't speak English so I can claim I am being discriminated against. I will never cooperate by speaking my second language with a TSO. They will have to get an interpreter.

Also, it worries me enormously that you admit al-Qaida supporters are working for TSA. One particular nationality is so full of them I doubt even Afghanistan or Pakistan have had so many. Therefore it is unrealistic to believe that the one working for TSA is a good guy.

tmspa Feb 24, 2008 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 9306115)
Also, it worries me enormously that you admit al-Qaida supporters are working for TSA. One particular nationality is so full of them I doubt even Afghanistan or Pakistan have had so many. Therefore it is unrealistic to believe that the one working for TSA is a good guy.

I don't recall mention al-Qaida or any particular nationality. :confused:

Just as English is your second language, others have English as a primary and have learned a second. Knowledge of a language isn't necessarily indication of any particular nationalilty.

Fredrik74 Feb 24, 2008 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9306185)
I don't recall mention al-Qaida or any particular nationality. :confused:

One of the languages you mentioned. If any of your muslim colleagues have a beard or a hijab I don't trust them.


Originally Posted by tmspa (Post 9306185)
Just as English is your second language, others have English as a primary and have learned a second. Knowledge of a language isn't necessarily indication of any particular nationalilty.

Well, it would be difficult for you if you ever met me. I wouldn't speak English at the checkpoint other than to point out that I don't understand what the TSO is saying. Something that is true for some sociolects.

Not understanding English is proof I have a different nationality than the TSO.

sammy0623 Feb 24, 2008 1:18 pm


Originally Posted by Fredrik74 (Post 9306252)
One of the languages you mentioned. If any of your muslim colleagues have a beard or a hijab I don't trust them.

this entire board is nuts. people complain about spot picking out people based on skin color and nationality, and this person decides to do the same thing. i had a muslim roommate, who out of laziness, occasionally grew a beard. i guess he's a terrorist.


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