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tsadude1 Oct 1, 2007 6:55 am


Originally Posted by erictank (Post 8487852)
Absolutely, the (present and longstanding) illegal interference in Constitutionally-protected free-market activity should cease.

I would like to purchase the full auto version also but all of the hassle of owning one is not worth it. The point I was trying to make is that Auto Ordinance had reservations about putting it on the free market because it may be used in the wrong way. Now I see people who say to remove the security, like that won't be taken advantage of????

elgringito Oct 1, 2007 11:07 am


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488329)
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You would be in favor of removing all security checkpoints for commercial air travel? No baggage screening, no metal detector, etc?

Fortunately, others do not believe "there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe" and I for for one continue to believe airport screening remains a necessity. I am certainly glad the metal detectors in Vienna worked.

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...s0hg280&src=ap


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8488316)
I disagree completely. There are already plenty of holes in the asinine "security" that we are forced to endure at US airports. Anyone, anytime, can bring explosives past the checkpoint in their pants or in their butt. Why doesn't it happen? Because there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe.


oneant Oct 1, 2007 11:10 am

I find the proposed policies of some who've posted here to be alarmist; no different than the policies of the TSA. Neither extreme is preferable.

HeHateY Oct 1, 2007 11:13 am


Originally Posted by bdschobel (Post 8485280)
I did that on the Concorde! (Pre-9/11/01, of course.)

Bruce

I did it on le Concorde after 9/11. Heading away from God's Country of course.

HeHateY Oct 1, 2007 11:16 am


Originally Posted by elgringito (Post 8490358)
Fortunately, others do not believe "there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe" and I for for one continue to believe airport screening remains a necessity. I am certainly glad the metal detectors in Vienna worked.

Except that the metal detectors you refer to were not at the airport but at the U.S. Embassy.

Please don't forget, air cargo that travels on passenger jets is still not screened for anything.

MiamiAirport Formerly NY George Oct 1, 2007 11:17 am


Originally Posted by freckles (Post 8485154)
It would be nice, but I still remember 9/11. So our reality is much different from our fantasies.

And you think that this dog and pony show conducted by minimum wage rent a cop rejects is going to make us safe? Yes I remember 9/11 as I lived through it in NYC. And everytime I go through this idiotic idea of airport security I think what a joke.

elgringito Oct 1, 2007 11:21 am


Originally Posted by HeHateY (Post 8490427)
Except that the metal detectors you refer to were not at the airport but at the U.S. Embassy.

Please don't forget, air cargo that travels on passenger jets is still not screened for anything.

Are the embassy metal detectors different for those in use at airport?

Because there are holes in the security system, does that mean you should abandon all security procedures or should it mean the holes should be plugged?

Spiff Oct 1, 2007 11:41 am


Originally Posted by elgringito (Post 8490452)
Are the embassy metal detectors different for those in use at airport?

Because there are holes in the security system, does that mean you should abandon all security procedures or should it mean the holes should be plugged?

No holes are being plugged by the imbeciles "in charge" of the TSA.

These skunks are creating holes by focusing on non-credible "threats" and by harassing passengers. They are truly un-American filth.

oneant Oct 1, 2007 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8490582)
No holes are being plugged by the imbeciles "in charge" of the TSA.

These skunks are creating holes by focusing on non-credible "threats" and by harassing passengers. They are truly un-American filth.

Your suggestion as a replacement is to let the airlines impose their own levels of security, which would allow the passenger to choose their airline based on those levels? Capitalism in action?

vassilipan Oct 1, 2007 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8488316)
I disagree completely. There are already plenty of holes in the asinine "security" that we are forced to endure at US airports. Anyone, anytime, can bring explosives past the checkpoint in their pants or in their butt. Why doesn't it happen? Because there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe.

That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Terrorists like to strike the weakest point. Why haven't we seen ship terminals, trains, cruise liners, or even a terminal at LAX blown up by now? One idiot got caught at the border, ostensibly headed to LAX, but that was ONE idiot since 9/11.

I do not advocate a wholesale dismantling of security precautions, but shoes, liquids, R/C cars, and (most perplexing of all), disposable booties, do not constitute a viable threat.

elgringito Oct 1, 2007 2:25 pm


Originally Posted by vassilipan (Post 8491580)
That's the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Terrorists like to strike the weakest point. Why haven't we seen ship terminals, trains, cruise liners, or even a terminal at LAX blown up by now? One idiot got caught at the border, ostensibly headed to LAX, but that was ONE idiot since 9/11.

I do not advocate a wholesale dismantling of security precautions, but shoes, liquids, R/C cars, and (most perplexing of all), disposable booties, do not constitute a viable threat.

The below were not identified at border crossings or airline security, but do indicate we just might be looking at more than the mythical 800 pound gorilla. Note in the second link, “explains in Arabic how to turn a toy boat into a bomb”.

http://dailynews.att.net/cgi-bin/new...s0hg280&src=ap


A Bosnian who tried to enter the U.S. Embassy in Vienna with a backpack filled with explosives, nails and Islamic literature was arrested Monday after the bag set off a metal detector and the man fled on foot, authorities said.
http://www.charlotte.com/breaking_ne...ry/295179.html


In a 12-minute video posted on YouTube, an Egyptian man wearing a white shirt, khaki pants and rubber gloves explains in Arabic how to turn a toy boat into a bomb.

His name is Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, and last month he was arrested in Goose Creek after authorities found four PVC pipes containing a mixture of potassium nitrate, kitty litter and sugar in his car’s trunk.

oneant Oct 1, 2007 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by vassilipan (Post 8491580)
Terrorists like to strike the weakest point.

By their very nature, terrorists mainly strike where they stand to strike the most terror into the hearts of their targets.

Boats and cars are limited in their strike capability. A fully fueled commercial aircraft is an incredible weapon with an endless list of targets.

It's just not enough to blow them up on their own any longer. Why take out 200 in the air when you can add the destruction of a politically symbolic target and the deaths of others to the carnage in order to send a bigger message?

I'd also like to add that talk of security measures is pretty stupid if we don't discuss WHY Islamic fundamentalists want to harm us. Once you figure that out and work to mitigate it, the security part is minor.

Spiff Oct 1, 2007 3:13 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8491290)
Your suggestion as a replacement is to let the airlines impose their own levels of security, which would allow the passenger to choose their airline based on those levels? Capitalism in action?

Yes indeed.

oneant Oct 1, 2007 3:27 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8492165)
Yes indeed.

Then I'd assume that there are a lot of other things on your list of "placecs where the gov't should not be involved." Vehicle emissions, nuclear proliferation, broadcast communication...I could go on.

Spiff Oct 1, 2007 3:39 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8492274)
Then I'd assume that there are a lot of other things on your list of "placecs where the gov't should not be involved." Vehicle emissions, nuclear proliferation, broadcast communication...I could go on.

"The government that governs best, governs least."

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