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erictank Sep 30, 2007 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 8486657)
The good old days....We used to be able buy by these from the harware store http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/ but should we allow it once again?

Absolutely, the (present and longstanding) illegal interference in Constitutionally-protected free-market activity should cease.

Ghery Sep 30, 2007 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by erictank (Post 8487852)
Absolutely, the (present and longstanding) illegal interference in Constitutionally-protected free-market activity should cease.

I'll second that. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't these people understand?

oneant Sep 30, 2007 9:27 pm

I think we should sell Tommy Guns in vending machines at the airport, like they do iPods.

Ghery Sep 30, 2007 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488020)
Would someone planting a bomb on a plane and taking the lives of 150 people be considered an "infringement?"

Oh wait, that was his right, wasn't it?

There are responsibilities that go with the exercise of rights. You don't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, but you have freedom of speech. Planting a bomb on a plane is not protected by the Constitution. Some folks have a real difficult time with this distinction.

stockmanjr Sep 30, 2007 9:51 pm


Originally Posted by Cookie Jarvis (Post 8487256)
Mesa Air (until April 2007) with flights Watertown NY to Pittsburgh used the Beech 1900D. Big Sky Airlines took over and offers flights to Boston and Albany and they also use the Beech 1900D. In fact, I believe they bought their planes from Mesa!

Probably not many terrorists flying through Watertown NY these days!

I thought only flyertalkers wanted to fly to Watertown? On a more serious note while we have flaws in our security system suggesting to fly without security is just absurd. It would create an open invitation to every loon to attempt to create havoc on an aircraft.
Cheers
Howie

Spiff Sep 30, 2007 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by MapleLeaf (Post 8486433)
I have run into the same thing when flying on small craft going through the Canadian Arctic... no screening, cockpit door left open.

And before you say but there is nothing in the arctic, there are plenty of military establishments and NORAD bases/radar stations etc. Maybe the Inuit and Dene just aren't as paranoid as the rest of our continent.

Or as bloody stupid.

Spiff Sep 30, 2007 11:02 pm


Originally Posted by stockmanjr (Post 8488111)
I thought only flyertalkers wanted to fly to Watertown? On a more serious note while we have flaws in our security system suggesting to fly without security is just absurd. It would create an open invitation to every loon to attempt to create havoc on an aircraft.
Cheers
Howie

I disagree completely. There are already plenty of holes in the asinine "security" that we are forced to endure at US airports. Anyone, anytime, can bring explosives past the checkpoint in their pants or in their butt. Why doesn't it happen? Because there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe.

oneant Sep 30, 2007 11:03 pm


Originally Posted by Ghery (Post 8488030)
There are responsibilities that go with the exercise of rights. You don't yell "FIRE!" in a crowded theater, but you have freedom of speech. Planting a bomb on a plane is not protected by the Constitution. Some folks have a real difficult time with this distinction.

Is boarding an aircraft without security screening a constitutional right?

Spiff Sep 30, 2007 11:04 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488318)
Is boarding an aircraft without security screening a constitutional right?

No, but it's also an event that the government should have absolutely no say in.

oneant Sep 30, 2007 11:06 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8488316)
I disagree completely. There are already plenty of holes in the asinine "security" that we are forced to endure at US airports. Anyone, anytime, can bring explosives past the checkpoint in their pants or in their butt. Why doesn't it happen? Because there just aren't that many terrorists out there as Comrade Hawley and Comrade Chertoff, the lowest of the low, would have you believe.

Let me see if I understand you correctly. You would be in favor of removing all security checkpoints for commercial air travel? No baggage screening, no metal detector, etc?

oneant Sep 30, 2007 11:09 pm


Originally Posted by Spiff (Post 8488326)
No, but it's also an event that the government should have absolutely no say in.

When security is done properly and effectively, the gov't doesn't have the last word. YOU would be the determining factor.

Personally, I would like to know that there's more than my own wishes and your mental state between a flight with and bomb and one without.

Spiff Sep 30, 2007 11:13 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488329)
Let me see if I understand you correctly. You would be in favor of removing all security checkpoints for commercial air travel? No baggage screening, no metal detector, etc?

I've never advocated that.

I would like to see the US government evicted from all US airports.

Airlines should be free to compete on whatever security they deem fit to provide and consumers should have a choice. I disagree with the hypothesis that no security would make all kinds of non-existent wackos come out of the woodwork. Our currrent US government-mandated idiocy already allows them to commit acts of terrorism at will.

Spiff Sep 30, 2007 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488337)
When security is done properly and effectively, the gov't doesn't have the last word. YOU would be the determining factor.

Personally, I would like to know that there's more than my own wishes and your mental state between a flight with and bomb and one without.

Well, unfortunately that's not the case. We have some filthy Communists putting the armlock on airlines and passengers with disgusting sentiments like "Do you want to fly today?" and "Do you want to be a common carrier today?" Meanwhile, in addition to their disgusting attitude, their procedures and policies that none are permitted to compete on are completely ineffective. If you want C4 on your flight, put it in your pants or butt and walk past the "security" checkpoint. It will not be detected. Ever.

flysurfer Oct 1, 2007 1:03 am


Originally Posted by oneant (Post 8488020)
I think we should sell Tommy Guns in vending machines at the airport, like they do iPods.

They should be part of on-board duty free sales, and free items in international F (like NC headphones). Maybe even part of pre-departure service.

polonius Oct 1, 2007 1:06 am


Originally Posted by Cholula (Post 8485601)
While not openly inviting pax to visit the cockpit, my last few flights on Aeromexico and a recent flight on Aerolineas Argentina operated the entire flight with the cockpit doors wide open.

Granted these are both "third-world" airlines but it was somewhat strange nevertheless.

As both Mexico and Argentina have per-capita GDP of over 10000 USD (on a PPP basis), and Mexico is even a member of the OECD, the elite club of the world's wealthiest countries, I'm not sure how anyone could categorise them as "third-world"


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