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infinityplusone Jun 14, 2007 8:15 pm


Spiff
...there may very well be serious reprisals against those who shamefully harassed and wronged their fellow citizens.

Originally Posted by Wally Bird (Post 7903843)
Not in our lifetime.


There are four boxes every American can potentially use: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the last I'll let you all figure out.

essxjay Jun 14, 2007 8:59 pm


Originally Posted by infinityplusone (Post 7905248)
There are four boxes every American can potentially use: the soap box, the ballot box, the jury box and the last I'll let you all figure out.

Umm ... given the presence of Spiff and goalie in our little sub-forum I'm gonna freely associate and guess, "Penalty?"

:D

Okay, seriously ... how about, "Pine?"

flyinbob Jun 14, 2007 11:39 pm

Someone explain this. There are cameras covering virtually every square inch of shopping malls, office buildings, even gas stations and streets. I see them in airports all over. High definition, all kinds of detail covered. With the claimed importance of the security checkpoints, aren't there cameras at the checkpoints? If not, why not? If so, why can't this be reviewed. Why aren't the people manning the checkpoints required to be microphoned like cops, with even eye level cameras?

Xyzzy Jun 15, 2007 12:15 am


Originally Posted by PHLflying (Post 7904958)
The children angle reminds me of something very scary and sad I saw at CMH recently. A mom was going through the line with an approx 4-6 year old son. ID checker checks mom's ID and BP, looks at child's BP and then stoops down and looks at the child

"What is your name"?

The other day I was flying with my son on a US domestic flight. He is clearly under 15 but still deserves to be treated as a person just like the rest of us. They ID checker asked me how old he was. I said, "Why don't you ask him?" After the second go-round of this they did ask him. Of course, they had his passport in hand when they asked so they could easily have checked themselves.

viking407rob Jun 15, 2007 1:21 am

These abuses of power are disgusting. Some travelers have been literally traumatized by these encounters with TSA. It's disturbing to take someone like the lady in the story, who very possibly has never been in trouble with the law, and subject them to threats of arrest. I'm sure this will stick with her for awhile.

RKG Jun 15, 2007 1:33 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 7905411)
Umm ... given the presence of Spiff and goalie in our little sub-forum I'm gonna freely associate and guess, "Penalty?"

:D

Okay, seriously ... how about, "Pine?"

I think the last one is "ammo box".

We Will Never Forget Jun 15, 2007 2:22 am


Originally Posted by essxjay (Post 7903846)
What the heck is "nursery water?" :confused:

Please don't tell me you have witnessed babies being poisoned with tap water. (nursery water does add fluoride though)


BTW, I like how the story is dramatized. I can't stop crying. :rolleyes:

Ask anyone who has traveled with a toddler if they didn't have to follow the exact same rules.

uva185 Jun 15, 2007 5:28 am


Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget (Post 7906139)
Please don't tell me you have witnesses babies being poisoned with tap water. (nursery water does add fluoride though)

Huh? In Maryland (and maybe DC & VA) fluoride is added to the tap water.

vassilipan Jun 15, 2007 8:28 am


Originally Posted by flyinbob (Post 7905831)
Why aren't the people manning the checkpoints required to be microphoned like cops, with even eye level cameras?

While an excellent idea, there has to be some consequence for bad behavior. Police agencies learned from numerous civil suits that they cannot afford to have rogue cops working for them. With TSA/DHS, there is very little a citizen can do with regard to seeking recourse for inappropriate treatment at the hands of a TSA screener. We are told repeatedly to "file a complaint" but can never be told the results, nor can we sue. Until the federal government is made to hold these screeners accountable for their actions, we are at their mercy.

And before TSA supporters chime in, I realize there are cases where screeners have been disciplined and even terminated. But we do not have access to the data to draw a conclusion that discipline is applied consistently, evenly or correctly. Every station appears to be an entity unto itself, operating under a broad set of guidelines.

We Will Never Forget Jun 15, 2007 8:36 am


Originally Posted by uva185 (Post 7906454)
Huh? In Maryland (and maybe DC & VA) fluoride is added to the tap water.

That and the filtration are the only fundamental differences I know of with nusery water. Somebody else may know of something else.

Some place don't have flouridated water available. ie well water

I've seen a lot of new parents toting this stuff.

P.T. Barnum was right. :D

Wally Bird Jun 15, 2007 9:09 am


Originally Posted by infinityplusone (Post 7905224)
In the story the word "officer" is used a lot, I think this is in reference to the Police Officer.

"At this point, I was detained against my will by the police officer and threatened to be arrested for endangering other passengers with the spilled 3 to 4 ounces of water. ..."

So it is not just the inept seemingly power hungry TSA that should be cause for concern... but also the inept seemingly power hungry police as well.

"Paging Sgt. Westbrook"
"Sgt. Sonya Westbrook to the checkpoint please".

dhuey Jun 15, 2007 12:30 pm


Originally Posted by We Will Never Forget (Post 7906139)
...BTW, I like how the story is dramatized. I can't stop crying. :rolleyes:
...

It sure looks like it to me. The line about being "ordered to apologize" for spilling a little water is very suspect. Demanding an apology for anything is something TSA obviously has no power to do. Any TSA agent caught humiliating a passenger in this manner is seriously abusing their authority.

Now, I realize that TSA abuse of authortiy is something many here reasonably believe is a regular activitiy for TSA. Even if that's true, let's distinguish between abuses of authority that have at least a hint of a connection with TSA's responsibilities, and this supposed apology demand. There is no way TSA could even begin to defend ordering a passenger to apologize, which is why I doubt it happened.

Wally Bird Jun 15, 2007 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by dhuey (Post 7908422)
The line about being "ordered to apologize" for spilling a little water is very suspect. Demanding an apology for anything is something TSA obviously has no power to do.

I think that was the cop.

"Paging Sgt. Wes..." oh, never mind.

SHADOW266 Jun 15, 2007 2:47 pm


Originally Posted by flyinbob (Post 7905831)
Someone explain this. There are cameras covering virtually every square inch of shopping malls, office buildings, even gas stations and streets. I see them in airports all over. High definition, all kinds of detail covered. With the claimed importance of the security checkpoints, aren't there cameras at the checkpoints? If not, why not? If so, why can't this be reviewed. Why aren't the people manning the checkpoints required to be microphoned like cops, with even eye level cameras?

http://www.tsa.gov/approach/mythbusters

see the video of the incident for yourself.

essxjay Jun 15, 2007 3:24 pm

I've not been able to verify this just yet, but have just gotten word that Monica Emmerson will be on MSNBC tomorrow, 12:30 p.m. Pacific.


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