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ND Sol Jun 19, 2007 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by law dawg (Post 7923255)
I believe Bart answered this one already in another thread.

I don't believe that he did. And as for the TSA:


Originally Posted by TSAMGR (Post 2956378)
It is in the SOP, section 2.6 and says TSA does not prohibit anyone from photographing, videotaping or filming the checkpoints unless it interferes with screening or obstructs the flow of passengers.


majorwibi Jun 19, 2007 7:59 pm


Originally Posted by fly-yul (Post 7928882)
No she behaved like a ...... But being a ..... should not get you detained for 10 minutes and be swarmed by 5+ LEO's and other arm-band wearing guys "just following orders"

The correct thing to have done in this case is for the LEO to have said "Ma'am that's not a nice thing to have done. Have a nice day"

That's it. No arm grabbing. No public application of discipline. Did this airport get moved to Saudi Arabia and they forgot to tell us?? What is the point of forcing her to clean up the freedom water on the floor??? Please. The LEO was simply on a power trip. I hope they get sued for millions. This woman with a baby and member of the secret service is going to make a fantastic plaintiff.

When is it acceptable for someone to spill something in protest and then just walk away? I know I was never raised that way and I would hope most other parents were the same way.

dhuey Jun 19, 2007 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by fly-yul (Post 7928882)
...The correct thing to have done in this case is for the LEO to have said "Ma'am that's not a nice thing to have done. Have a nice day"...

No, this might have hurt Emmerson's feelings, and would have thus been an abuse of the LEO's authority. I think the correct response would have been, "I'm sorry the stress of this situation caused you to spill the sippy cup, ma'am. It's our fault completely. Please forgive us; we'll try harder next time."

Superguy Jun 19, 2007 8:43 pm


Originally Posted by dhuey (Post 7929236)
No, this might have hurt Emmerson's feelings, and would have thus been an abuse of the LEO's authority. I think the correct response would have been, "I'm sorry the stress of this situation caused you to spill the sippy cup, ma'am. It's our fault completely. Please forgive us; we'll try harder next time."

Sounds quite ironic coming from someone living in Berkeley. ;)

kokonutz Jun 20, 2007 9:57 am


Originally Posted by majorwibi (Post 7929118)
When is it acceptable for someone to spill something in protest and then just walk away? I know I was never raised that way and I would hope most other parents were the same way.

Nor was I. But LEOs and TSA are neither our parents nor our big brother....although.....

Bottom line: when dealing with LEOs and other 'authorities' acting like bullies there are only three appropriate phrases:

"Charge me or release me."

"I would like to have my attorney present."

and

" "

The last one is the most important....

dhuey Jun 20, 2007 10:33 am


Originally Posted by kokonutz (Post 7931821)
Nor was I. But LEOs and TSA are neither our parents nor our big brother....although.....

Bottom line: when dealing with LEOs and other 'authorities' acting like bullies there are only three appropriate phrases:

"Charge me or release me."

"I would like to have my attorney present."

and

" "

The last one is the most important....

The attorney request and silence are very good ideas, especially when we're talking about a potentially significant criminal charge. However, when we're talking about an infraction, the above are not the only three appropriate phrases.

Quite often, you can avoid citation if you just let the cop give you a two-minute lecture on the importance of coming to complete stop, not jaywalking, etc. It's up to you, of course, but I'm usually interested in continuing with my day and not hanging out with a cop for 15-20 minutes being written up.

Superguy Jun 20, 2007 11:27 am


Originally Posted by dhuey (Post 7932078)
The attorney request and silence are very good ideas, especially when we're talking about a potentially significant criminal charge. However, when we're talking about an infraction, the above are not the only three appropriate phrases.

Quite often, you can avoid citation if you just let the cop give you a two-minute lecture on the importance of coming to complete stop, not jaywalking, etc. It's up to you, of course, but I'm usually interested in continuing with my day and not hanging out with a cop for 15-20 minutes being written up.

I've been written up in under two minutes flat. :( I'd gladly take a 2 minute lecture over the ticket, as long as the lecture didn't cross the line. :D Of course, by crossing the line I mean stuff like the cop bagging on a car as being unsafe because of what it was rather than the condition of the car. My sister got that lecture and the judge dropped the points but not the fine because the cop was out of line.


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