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Old Apr 26, 2007, 4:00 pm
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Has anyone taken the time to ask the cat?
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by doober
And is that carrier inspected if your cat (or dog) flies in the belly of the aircraft? No it is not - so why even bother to take the animal out of the crate. If it's not going to inspected going into the cargo hold there should be no requirement to x-ray it when going into the cabin.
Not true - there are lots of things (i.e. guns) that could be hidden in a carrier that wouldn't present a risk when in the cargo hold, but could when in the cabin of the aircraft. If you believe that WTMD and X-ray are appropriate screening tools for carry-on baggage, they should apply to all carry-on baggage.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 5:39 pm
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 5:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Global_Hi_Flyer
Having had to listen to a cat loudly *yowl* in the C cabin on a flight from CDG to ATL one day, I'm with Bart on the behavior of said cats in the cabin.
I've never heard a single cat "yowl" while on board an aircraft. Too bad I can't say the same for screaming babies.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
I've never heard a single cat "yowl" while on board an aircraft. Too bad I can't say the same for screaming babies.
I have the unfortunate experience to tell you I've heard both. As annoying as screaming babies are, they hold no candle to a yowling cat across the aisle. 10 hours transatlantic <shudder>. At least a baby sleeps at some point.

Neither is pleasant....
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JakiChan
Clearly that had been put there for a reason which begged the question: Who had been putting their babies through the X-ray machine?
I saw someone at LHR attempting to do just that
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 6:29 pm
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Originally Posted by cestmoi123
Not true - there are lots of things (i.e. guns) that could be hidden in a carrier that wouldn't present a risk when in the cargo hold, but could when in the cabin of the aircraft. If you believe that WTMD and X-ray are appropriate screening tools for carry-on baggage, they should apply to all carry-on baggage.
Then carry the crate, with the cat it in, through the WTMD - that would pick up most guns. If someone wants to do a dirty deed in the air, they are going to do it, whether with a gun, a piece of a glass bottle or a shoelace. Some damage might be done but the other pax and the pilot by maneuvering the aircraft will take care of any perp.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 6:52 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
At one of my classes, I asked how many TSOs had ever x-rayed an animal. Several hands were raised, and the majority of them were the more seasoned screeners. The ones who didn't raise their hands, a great majority of them having less than a year of screening experience, looked at me in horror when I asked the question. I smiled and told them, "we don't want it to happen; we don't let it happen, but it happens. You haven't really earned your stripes as a screener until it happens to you."
So how much of a shock is it to see two beady eyes starring back at you on the xray monitor??? What about seeing an object move unexpectedly?

Does seeing an animal on the xray become a "just part of the job event" (like IT people finding porn on coworkers laptops)?
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 8:22 pm
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Originally Posted by vassilipan
Apparently you do not own a cat. A cat can be "controlled" while in a carrier, but once the door is open, anything goes.

I still do not understand the need to put the carrier through the X-ray, with or without an occupant. Most carriers are fairly thin and can easily be inspected by hand - at least in the same amount of time it takes to remove and replace an animal. This seems to be a policy for the sake of uniformity.
I have a cat and three dogs (had a fourth one but had to put him down recently). I clearly understand the responsibilities that come with owning a pet and traveling with one. Expecting the rest of the world to conform to your expectations is unrealistic.

If you're going to travel with a pet, understand the rules.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 8:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Flaflyer
OT: So justify to the rest of us why TSA considers it safe to have ME walk through a backscatter XRAY machine? Even if the dose is lower than that used on your normal dirty underwear sterilization machine.
I don't know enough about how backscatter x-rays work to comment.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Expecting the rest of the world to conform to your expectations is unrealistic.
This is exactly what TSA/DHS does!
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 8:27 pm
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Originally Posted by JakiChan
At some random airport, and memory suggests it was YVR or ORD, I saw a sign on the x-ray machine that said that babies were to be removed from carriers before putting the carriers through.

Clearly that had been put there for a reason which begged the question: Who had been putting their babies through the X-ray machine?
There was an incident a few months ago at LAX that received a lot of press. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, there was a thread devoted to that incident in FlyerTalk, not sure if it was in the TS/S forum.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 9:13 pm
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Originally Posted by YEG Guy
So how much of a shock is it to see two beady eyes starring back at you on the xray monitor??? What about seeing an object move unexpectedly?

Does seeing an animal on the xray become a "just part of the job event" (like IT people finding porn on coworkers laptops)?
Actually, there's no movement. The x-ray takes a snapshot, and you can definitely see the outline of the animal as well as its skeleton. In fact, it sort of looks like a stuffed animal; however, the colors are more intense as opposed to the flat color of a stuffed animal.
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Old Apr 26, 2007, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
If you're going to travel with a pet, understand the rules.
Fighting rules like this is the duty of every citizen. If I ever have to subject my cats to the ministrations of the TSA, you can be sure the screener will be invited to carry said cat through the arch.

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This sure sounds like what you want to do to/with Victoria is against the TOS, if not state and federal laws.
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Old Apr 27, 2007, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by birdstrike
Fighting rules like this is the duty of every citizen. If I ever have to subject my cats to the ministrations of the TSA, you can be sure the screener will be invited to carry said cat through the arch.
No dice. I'm a pet owner, and I clearly understand my responsibilities and accept them without any hesitation. Seems that some in here do not.
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