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That 4 ounces of water the FA gives you goes a long way. So does the second. They even seem slightly put out if you ask for a second cup. There is no way they will give you the bottle like you might ask for the can of soft drink.

I would prefer to bring my water on board for an almost 3 hour trip each way.

No the airlines have a mixed feel about the guidelines, they are in no way prepared for the addtl luggage which is requiring additional luggage handlers, as well as additional costs for all the baggage delivery that is going on, but the FAs and GAs are enjoying the respite from slower passenger loading and fights over overhead space. And the airlines do enjoy the quick turn if they can figure out how to do that and manage the luggage at the same time.

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I'd be interested in seeing your citation for this "clear violation".

If you're going to sue, you might want to get your statutes straight.

The Americans with Disabilities Act Title I is about employment and covers employers with 15 or more employees. Enforcement is effected by filing complaints with the U. S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).

ADA Title II covers public transportation, but not air travel. Complaints go to the Office of Civil Rights, Federal Transit Administration, U.S. Department of Transportation.

ADA Title III covers businesses and nonprofit service providers that are public accommodations, including restaurants, retail stores, hotels, movie theaters, private schools, convention centers, doctors' offices, homeless shelters, transportation depots, zoos, funeral homes, day care centers, and recreation facilities including sports stadiums and fitness clubs. So this includes airports but not airplanes. Title III complaints are filed with the Department of Justice.

The Americans with Disabilities Act has no provisions of any kind regarding water, hydration, or nourishment. Here is the full text of the Act.

Airlines are covered by the Air Carrier Access Act (14 C.F.R. Part 382), which is not a part of the Americans with Disabilities Act. It doesn't talk about nourishment or hydration either, as its function is to provide equal access. It talks about things like boarding, lavatories, equal access to information, seating accomodations, and attendents. Here is the text of the Act.

ETA: I do not post this because I support the TSA ban on liquids, but because I get very tired of people citing the ADA and ACAA when they clearly are unfamiliar with either act. It makes it more difficult for those who need the protections of these acts to even get what the act provides.

I know that this is reasonable advice, but as a disabled person, I'm getting tired of needing doctors notes for every little thing.

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DeafFlyer, you are so correct. We shouldn't have to be going through all this. Begging to have water, lip baum and basic human comforts. Ridiculous!

My husband's doc's advice about his eye drops: 'no guaranty the TSA will honor my Rx. Just put the bottle in your pocket and forget you have it.'

We are being forced to be sneaky!

And you've never lost anything in checked baggage??

If it's a choice between checking my medicine or not flying I'm not going to fly.

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It seems that the once a year traveller is obeying these new bans and saying anything for security. TV shows the same attitude. As frequent flyers, what can we do to force the TSA to reconsider the bans?

Nothing. There have been numerous examples that the TSA cannot be forced to do anything - they are out of control simply because they can be. Occasionally they relent on some of the more intrusive policies, but usually only when it makes things easier for them, not us.

In the current climate (paranoia just doesn't do it justice), I would expect more restrictions to be umm.. eased in, not less. The Great American People are thoroughly cowed, the media are actually enjoying this and Congress have their collective thumbs you-know-where.

Just keep on 'whining' and I think the picketing idea is an excellent one. The TSA no doubt anticipates riding out any small, inconvenient dissent, all we can do is try to outlast them.

I would respectfully disagree with the bolded statement above.

First a basic need is hydration – an airline is unable to pack enough water to truly keep all passengers on board hydrated. Many people suffer hydration issues and are unaware of it – I am not! I require and drink a LOT of water every day – it is SPRING water, not what is served on board most airlines. These new regs deny me the comfort of having a beverage I not only prefer but it’s the only type I drink as well as the “need” to address my hydration issues (I end up with diet 7-up or an alcoholic beverage as the only other things I drink from what is available).

There are ample reports prior to this idiocy that STRONGLY RECOMMENDED people bring their own water on board to supplement what is provided by the airlines (in my case, for ex-USA trips I totally replace it). Those reports addressed the needs of the passengers to remain sufficiently hydrated and the comfort of ensuring that hydration is available when it was needed. Having the airlines pack a few extra liters hardly addresses this lack now does it, not to mention that the airlines serve those tiny cups of water and the FAs then disappear for the next hour or two – that is totally insufficient to address the needs of most passengers.

Y prices will go down, F prices will skyrocket as a result of the deplorable onboard restrictions, I predict.

A wag of the finger, most likely. He may feign the "support our president" at any cost line, but the guy has a lot of sense.

Most likely because they figured that being able to drink water was a GIVEN, not a luxury. :td:

Bart, when was the last time you were on a plane? A lot of times, you'll get 2 drink service on a transcon and that's it, unless you happen to go bug an FA for a drink and they're not too put out to give you one. Some airlines won't give you the can. Some airlines like UA are a bit more proactive and offer water service once an hour. Still not enough.

So in a sense, if we're left to the mercy of the airlines, a lot of people aren't going to get the hydration they need. What's one of the biggest things you read about doing on a plane, especially long flights? Movement and hydration. TSA puts the screws to both of those.

Y prices are already going down. I've seen some huge price cuts on my destinations on UA and a lot more e-fares being offered.

I think that has more to do with what time of the year it is rather than the TSA idiotic moves.

If there were drastic reductions in loads in direct correlation to the restrictions, we'd be hearing about it from the airlines.

Give it time. A lot of the travel that's going on now was booked prior to this mess.

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I know that. I was responding to someone who made the suggestion that people who "need" their medication so badly should pack them in their luggage and leave it up to the airlines.

It was dumb luck two weeks ago that I had my meds in their bottles. Usually I put them in a week-long pill organizer...saves space. The essential stuff was in their bottles, but I had a pill organizer with Lunesta in it; sometimes I have trouble sleeping when I travel. When I got up to the TSA, the guy pointed to my pill organizer and said, "You can't bring those on, ma'am." I said, "Look, these restrictions just went into effect this morning, this is $100 worth of pills, and look at how they are obviously from a pharmacy." He then took me aside and said quietly, "Move them to the prescription bottle." When I complied, he smiled and said, "There you go! Prescription medication with a label!" :cool:

I don't follow. If they could be put in pill organizers, they were not liquid -- and therefore don't require a prescription, right?

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A bunch of citations that handily win this ridiculous "argument" snipped.

If any of you would like an eyeful of legal reasons why this stuff is fifty shades of wrong, write to me privately.

If you think that Katja is not interested in the rights of disabled Americans, you might want to take a look at her website.

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Sorry, wrong answer for anything medical related, especially that cannot be replaced.

I've had terrible luck with checked bags on some airlines (e.g. US). By "terrible" I mean 2 out of the last 3 times I have checked a bag it has taken more than two days after the flight arrived to get my bag.

Sorry, I got too wordy. Here's what I should have said:

There is no Air Carriers section of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I am interested in the eyeful (is that a quantity?) of legal reasons, but don't see why it should be private.

Thanks.

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First, you're tilting at windmills, here, and being oddly pedantic over phrasing. I would think that you, as a disabled person, would be more about seeing to it that disabled people like you and me stand up for ourselves, than obsessing about proving me wrong and in the process discouraging disabled people for asserting the rights that are clearly theirs.

I'd also think that you would be a bit more up-to-date on your disability law, seeing how you seem some sort of an expert on the topic. Air Carrier Act is not part of the original act, but it most certainly is its kissin' cousin.

"A Guide To Disability Law"
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/cguide.htm

http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/publi...s/disabled.htm

Carriers may not refuse transportation to people on the basis of disability. Airlines may exclude anyone from a flight if carrying the person would be inimical to the safety of the flight. If a carrier excludes a person with a disability on safety grounds, the carrier must provide a written explanation of the decision.

Airlines may not require advance notice that a person with a disability is traveling. Carriers may require up to 48 hours’ advance notice for certain accommodations that require preparation time (e.g., respirator hook-up, transportation of an electric wheelchair on an aircraft with less than 60 seats).

Other provisions concerning services and accommodations address treatment of mobility aids and assistive devices, passenger information, accommodations for persons with hearing impairments, security screening, communicable diseases and medical certificates, and service animals.

The rule applies to all U.S. air carriers providing commercial air transportation. ‘Indirect’ air carriers (e.g. charter operators) are not covered by certain provisions that concern the direct provision of air transportation services.

Under "ADA Information Services"

Air Carrier Access Act, for questions pertaining to air transportation, call Department of Transportation:
Aviation Consumer Protection Division
800-778-4838 (voice)
800-455-9880 (TTY)
Internet address
http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov
(FWIW, the Department of Transportation volleys these issues back to ADA)

http://www.adata.org/whatsada-history.aspx
Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA)
In 1986 Congress passed the Air Carriers Act which addressed the rights of people with disabilities to the use air transportation. Any individual or private entity that directly or indirectly by lease or other arrangement, engages in air transportation has obligations under the Air Carrier Access Act (ACAA):

to operate in a nondiscriminatory manner...

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Refusing to accommodate an individual who requires a substantial amount of water that is to be drunk at his or her individual discretion as a result of a chronic illness that he or she may have is clearly discriminatory according to this act. In fact, for people like that gentleman's uncle who is unable to create his own saliva due to cancer, the TSA and airlines are basically telling him and everyone else that he is not permitted to fly simply by virtue of his medical requirements.

I may be pedantic, but it is a quality that is helpful when dealing with bureaucrats, lawyers, courts and statutes. Precision in speaking and writing is the most useful tool to achieve one's goals in that arena.

Emotionalism and inaccuracy are not, in my (of course limited) experience.

Bart, thank you for the answer, that is what I thought.
Thank you also for helping many of us out on this thread.

What happens when I fly in the US with my asthma inhaler purchased in China where I live. They don't have any perscription lables on them and I'm sure that's true of many other countries as well. Or do people from outside the US simply not get to travel with their meds? I'd think that there would be some leeway for a situation like this, but then again this is the government...

Just to confirm, satellite phones are okay in a carryon?

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That's why God made lawyers, my dear.

Someone made lawyers, but I didn't think it was God. ;) :D

No problem with it at LAX international terminal tonight.

It seems like it never occurred to the TSA that this type of situation could possibly happen. :rolleyes: :td: