Armed pilot Arrested for being drunk
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Armed pilot Arrested for being drunk
I feel so much safer after having read this.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/13/int....ap/index.html
LAS VEGAS, Nevada (AP) -- An armed AirTran Airways pilot was charged with operating an aircraft under the influence after a federal screener at McCarran International Airport smelled alcohol, authorities said Thursday.
Las Vegas police arrested Oliver Paul Reason Jr., 37, in the cockpit of the AirTran plane shortly after he passed through an airport checkpoint Wednesday night, according to the Transportation Security Administration, police and the airline.
Orlando-based AirTran Holdings Inc. issued a statement Thursday saying the airline followed its safety procedures to ensure the Atlanta-bound aircraft was held at the gate.
"The captain neither took command of the aircraft nor was the aircraft operated in any manner," the airline said. It apologized to the 60 passengers inconvenienced by the canceled flight and said it is cooperating with authorities.
The pilot has been suspended from his duties as a federal flight deck officer, which had allowed him to carry the firearm, the TSA said.
If the Federal Aviation Administration finds that the pilot was intoxicated on the job, he will be barred from flying, FAA spokesman Donn Walker said.
The pilot, who has worked for AirTran since 1994, has been suspended indefinitely pending further investigation, airline spokesman Tad Hutcheson said. He added that police told airline officials that Reason had failed a Breathalyzer test.
Reason was being held Thursday at the Clark County jail. It was not immediately clear whether he had a lawyer.
After the terrorist hijackings on September 11, 2001, pilots' unions lobbied for permission to carry guns in the cockpit. Federal lawmakers granted approval the next year.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/13/int....ap/index.html
LAS VEGAS, Nevada (AP) -- An armed AirTran Airways pilot was charged with operating an aircraft under the influence after a federal screener at McCarran International Airport smelled alcohol, authorities said Thursday.
Las Vegas police arrested Oliver Paul Reason Jr., 37, in the cockpit of the AirTran plane shortly after he passed through an airport checkpoint Wednesday night, according to the Transportation Security Administration, police and the airline.
Orlando-based AirTran Holdings Inc. issued a statement Thursday saying the airline followed its safety procedures to ensure the Atlanta-bound aircraft was held at the gate.
"The captain neither took command of the aircraft nor was the aircraft operated in any manner," the airline said. It apologized to the 60 passengers inconvenienced by the canceled flight and said it is cooperating with authorities.
The pilot has been suspended from his duties as a federal flight deck officer, which had allowed him to carry the firearm, the TSA said.
If the Federal Aviation Administration finds that the pilot was intoxicated on the job, he will be barred from flying, FAA spokesman Donn Walker said.
The pilot, who has worked for AirTran since 1994, has been suspended indefinitely pending further investigation, airline spokesman Tad Hutcheson said. He added that police told airline officials that Reason had failed a Breathalyzer test.
Reason was being held Thursday at the Clark County jail. It was not immediately clear whether he had a lawyer.
After the terrorist hijackings on September 11, 2001, pilots' unions lobbied for permission to carry guns in the cockpit. Federal lawmakers granted approval the next year.
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Interesting logic
That's why the rule should be:
NO GUNS ON THE PLANE. PERIOD.
NO GUNS ON THE PLANE. PERIOD.
Interesting logic. Using this reasoning (no pun intended), let's also search today's papers for drunk cops, drunk air marshalls, etc.
What the guy did was wrong, period. Nonetheless, I think we can still safely say that anyone bringing a box cutter to a gun fight would have been met with dramatically different results on 09/11.
(I hold a CDW license that's valid in 26 states and I'm currently looking into getting an NYC permit. )
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Oh, I'm fine with that option too.
If air marshals and pilots can carry guns, then I should be able to do so too.
Either anyone can carry or no one can carry. I don't care which we choose, but letting only certain individuals carry is a disgrace.
If air marshals and pilots can carry guns, then I should be able to do so too.
Either anyone can carry or no one can carry. I don't care which we choose, but letting only certain individuals carry is a disgrace.
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Having been around this business for a long time, I can say that pilots 'tip the glass' quite abit more often than gets reported...the only way around it is a mandatory breath analyzer before every flight...it's rather unfortunate, but it does happen...I believe more so in the regional airlines that drive their crews pretty hard.
On the issue of guns, I have a very reasonable argument why pilots should not have guns - the 1st commandment of the post 9/11 era is the flight deck door should never be opened, never ever ever. In order for the pilot to use his gun against a 'terrorist', he would need to open the flight deck door, thus opening himself and the copilot up to being attacked. As long as that door is closed and secure, and the proper reinforcements and kevlar are in place, he/she can maintain control of the flight regardless of what is happening in the cabin - and priority #1 should be to maintain control of the aircraft and land as soon as possible.
No one is going to benefit from exposing the flight deck and having a shootout at the OK corral.
On the issue of guns, I have a very reasonable argument why pilots should not have guns - the 1st commandment of the post 9/11 era is the flight deck door should never be opened, never ever ever. In order for the pilot to use his gun against a 'terrorist', he would need to open the flight deck door, thus opening himself and the copilot up to being attacked. As long as that door is closed and secure, and the proper reinforcements and kevlar are in place, he/she can maintain control of the flight regardless of what is happening in the cabin - and priority #1 should be to maintain control of the aircraft and land as soon as possible.
No one is going to benefit from exposing the flight deck and having a shootout at the OK corral.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
Oh, I'm fine with that option too.
If air marshals and pilots can carry guns, then I should be able to do so too.
Either anyone can carry or no one can carry. I don't care which we choose, but letting only certain individuals carry is a disgrace.
If air marshals and pilots can carry guns, then I should be able to do so too.
Either anyone can carry or no one can carry. I don't care which we choose, but letting only certain individuals carry is a disgrace.
Though my preference would be for an entirely weapon free environment, "air marshals" included.
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priority #1 should be to maintain control of the aircraft and land as soon as possible.
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Originally Posted by Dovster
In other words, an unarmed drunk pilot would be okay?
The point is that we harass travelers needlessly but give guns to those who could turn on us at any moment by blowing a fuse or showing up drunk.
It's time to stop the hypocrisy.
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Originally Posted by LEX-LGA Commuter
Absolutely agree. But when the gates are breached, a weapon is a handy thing to have.
Arm the air marshalls and armor the cockpit door. The FFDO program is a problem waiting to happen.
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I don't see the relevance of his FFDO status to the issue here (other than media sensationalism) -- he was under the influence of alcohol. He should not be at the controls of an airplane or part of the flight decision making process (other than to remove himself from command, which he did not).
An accident that comes as the result of an alcohol-induced reduction in motor skill, judgement, or reaction time has far graver ramifications than the sidearm isse! Doesn't anyone here see that? Which is more dangerous? A drunk with a loaded gun and 10 rounds of ammunition or a drunk at the controls with 100-200 people in the back?
Don't forget, Mr. TSA pants, pilots have crash axes in the cockpit too! Look out, they're sharp and pointy!
An accident that comes as the result of an alcohol-induced reduction in motor skill, judgement, or reaction time has far graver ramifications than the sidearm isse! Doesn't anyone here see that? Which is more dangerous? A drunk with a loaded gun and 10 rounds of ammunition or a drunk at the controls with 100-200 people in the back?
Don't forget, Mr. TSA pants, pilots have crash axes in the cockpit too! Look out, they're sharp and pointy!
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Originally Posted by ClueByFour
I'm a pilot (private SEL/IFR and working on the multi) and a pretty good pistol shot. I cannot imagine trying to land a transport-class turbine aircraft and survive an armed standoff at a range of less than 2 meters (in a pressurized tube, no less) at the same time.
Arm the air marshalls and armor the cockpit door. The FFDO program is a problem waiting to happen.
Arm the air marshalls and armor the cockpit door. The FFDO program is a problem waiting to happen.
BTW, I completely agree with your post, ClueByFour. Y'all stay in there and get us safely back on the ground. I'll be out in the cabin trying to make the bad guys eat a beverage cart.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
On the issue of guns, I have a very reasonable argument why pilots should not have guns - the 1st commandment of the post 9/11 era is the flight deck door should never be opened, never ever ever. In order for the pilot to use his gun against a 'terrorist', he would need to open the flight deck door, thus opening himself and the copilot up to being attacked.
Last edited by Rejuvenated; Jan 14, 2005 at 11:30 am