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Originally Posted by myrgirl
And the news is not slanted, right?
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Originally Posted by JS
Get yourself an SSSS today, and you will see why we are so pissed off.
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Originally Posted by SPN Lifer
By declining to remove one's shoes, the same secondary screening can be achieved, complete with scrotal palpation. :(
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I encourage everyone to write your elected representatives after November 2 and ask them to write legislation to end this madness.
The ACLU is lobbying for changes in the Patriot Act as well as against the passage of Patriot 2. We also have the judicial system as a solution, but that may take some time. |
The bit from the DOI site ...
Who gets Searched at the Airport, and Why? When you obtain your boarding pass, take a close look at your boarding pass. If SSSS appears on your boarding pass, you can expect to be searched. A random number of boarding passes have this SSSS code and if this appears you will be searched. 'Random' cannot be correct, surely? It seems clear that there are triggers for SSSS (and that should be the only basis, really, for that degree of scrutiny) so why does the DOI site imply something different? |
there is
Originally Posted by damorgan
The bit from the DOI site ...
Who gets Searched at the Airport, and Why? When you obtain your boarding pass, take a close look at your boarding pass. If SSSS appears on your boarding pass, you can expect to be searched. A random number of boarding passes have this SSSS code and if this appears you will be searched. 'Random' cannot be correct, surely? It seems clear that there are triggers for SSSS (and that should be the only basis, really, for that degree of scrutiny) so why does the DOI site imply something different? |
Originally Posted by eyecue
There is a random number generator in the program. If you make it through all the profile filters that are applied to your information, you could still get hit with SSSS if your number comes up..
Ouch. So, on a random basis, I could get profiled on the basis that I don't meet the profile. I know all about testing profiles by occasionally going outside of them, but I would question the degree to which I should be subjected to scrutiny in that circumstance. In my experience, profile testing is carried out as a specific exercise, with a specific purpose, by specific people. The method you describe would just throw me in amongst all the 'suspects'. Like I've said elsewhere, though. If I don't like it, I can choose not to fly. |
Originally Posted by damorgan
Ouch. So, on a random basis, I could get profiled on the basis that I don't meet the profile. I know all about testing profiles by occasionally going outside of them, but I would question the degree to which I should be subjected to scrutiny in that circumstance. In my experience, profile testing is carried out as a specific exercise, with a specific purpose, by specific people. The method you describe would just throw me in amongst all the 'suspects'.
Like I've said elsewhere, though. If I don't like it, I can choose not to fly. I suppose I could "choose" not to leave my home to avoid random arrests, and I could "choose" not to vote in a dictatorship to avoid prison, etc. A choice is something YOU make, not something forced upon you. |
Originally Posted by JS
You can choose not to fly? How absurd. What are you going to do, sail to New York?
I suppose I could "choose" not to leave my home to avoid random arrests, and I could "choose" not to vote in a dictatorship to avoid prison, etc. A choice is something YOU make, not something forced upon you. co·erce ( P ) Pronunciation Key (k-ūrs) tr.v. co·erced, co·erc·ing, co·erc·es 1. To force to act or think in a certain way by use of pressure, threats, or intimidation; compel. 2. To dominate, restrain, or control forcibly: coerced the strikers into compliance. See Synonyms at force. 3. To bring about by force or threat: efforts to coerce agreement. Here, let me use it in a sentence: The government coerces people into accepting humiliating physical abuse with the threat of forbidding them to travel by air. |
Actually, I prefer:
Main Entry: blackmail Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl Function: noun Etymology: black + 1mail 1 : a tribute anciently exacted on the Scottish border by freebooting chiefs for immunity from pillage 2 a : extortion or coercion by threats especially of public exposure or criminal prosecution b : the payment that is extorted - blackmail transitive verb - black·mail·er noun (From www.m-w.com) |
my belief is
Originally Posted by damorgan
Ouch. So, on a random basis, I could get profiled on the basis that I don't meet the profile. I know all about testing profiles by occasionally going outside of them, but I would question the degree to which I should be subjected to scrutiny in that circumstance. In my experience, profile testing is carried out as a specific exercise, with a specific purpose, by specific people. The method you describe would just throw me in amongst all the 'suspects'.
Like I've said elsewhere, though. If I don't like it, I can choose not to fly. |
Originally Posted by JS
You can choose not to fly? How absurd. What are you going to do, sail to New York?
I suppose I could "choose" not to leave my home to avoid random arrests, and I could "choose" not to vote in a dictatorship to avoid prison, etc. A choice is something YOU make, not something forced upon you. Well of course I can choose not to fly - I just don't go to the US for my vacation if that's the way I feel about it. Other countries have very different security regimes at their airports. |
Originally Posted by damorgan
Well of course I can choose not to fly - I just don't go to the US for my vacation if that's the way I feel about it. Other countries have very different security regimes at their airports.
I have no problem with my bag being x-rayed. I have no problem walking through a metal detector. I have no problem with a detection 'wand' being waved around my person to clear any alarms from the metal detector. In short, I have no problem with airport security as it existed on 9/10/01 - nor would I have had any problem with the Government setting better screening standards and training requirements for the existing screeners. If they had a detection pad I could step on or walk across to check my shoes for unexplained cavities or alterations, I would not have a problem with that either. What I DO have a problem with, is being forced to blindly follow the 'shoot from the hip' whimsical screening standards conceived in the imagination of TSA managers, reacting not planning, who I would say have limited professional credentials in the realm of airport security and safety. How many of the TSA managers and executives can show aviation management college degrees or any length of employment in the aviation/airport business? I propose that those credentials and experience are essential for the job - this is not a military or police action. Today's airport screening procedures have not been shown to offer any measurable enhancement of our safety. The TSA's mandate should be to demonstrate improved security and safety and make these improvements measurable through the use of independant auditing and inspection. What we have now is a 'death by a thousand cuts' for the airline industry - if enough people get frustrated with the screening process and choose to 'just stay home and not fly', that will end up being very harmful to the airline industry, as well as the entire business and leisure hospitality sector. Do we really want to send the message to "stay home...it's safer and less frustrating"? |
Be aware that whether or not such an act is illegal, should you be caught attempting to avoid security in such a manner there is no doubt in my mind tht you would be placed on the "Selectee List" and be automatically subjected to secondary screening until such time as the "War On Terror" is finished - ie the rest of your life.
Originally Posted by NihonNick
Dear all,
(My apologies for starting a new thread; I did a search for this but I could not find the answer covered elsewhere, please feel free to redirect me and remove this thread if this question has been covered already.) It seems to me that everybody who reads these forums knows what SSSS on a boarding pass means, although it is not "officially" documented (try searching for "SSSS" on the TSA website). Furthermore it seems also that it is relatively easy to evade the secondary screening by purchasing a fully-refundable return ticket, using said ticket to pass through the check-point, "accidentally" duplicating the TSA's mark on the boarding pass when your pen "slipped" and inadvertently thus appearing that the secondary screening was performed, and cancelling the return ticket. However, as far as I can tell there is nothing "illegal" in the above process in terms of evading the secondary search, although it could obviously be taken to be highly suspicious. You can purchase return tickets. You can write whatever you like on a boarding pass. You can cancel return tickets. What grounds could there be for further action? Once the passenger is air-side they will have successfully passed through security and will have a boarding pass for a flight due to leave from that terminal. If the consequence of an SSSS mark is not a procedure that passengers have been informed of, how can they be accused of intentionally evading it? Your comments and assistance, as always, are appreciated. Thanks Nick |
Today's airport screening procedures have not been shown to offer any measurable enhancement of our safety. The TSA's mandate should be to demonstrate improved security and safety and make these improvements measurable through the use of independant auditing and inspection. What we have now is a 'death by a thousand cuts' for the airline industry - if enough people get frustrated with the screening process and choose to 'just stay home and not fly', that will end up being very harmful to the airline industry, as well as the entire business and leisure hospitality sector. Do we really want to send the message to "stay home...it's safer and less frustrating"? There is only one metric for measuring success of such security measures - whether or not a hijacking occurs again. It has been over three years and we have not seen even an attempt at an attack such as that which occurred on 9/11. You do remember 9/11 don't you? |
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