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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
You have a good reference. However there is no injury attempted or otherwise in order to support a tort. If you suffer from embarrassment then you may request a private screening to avoid that tort. The consent is posted at all out checkpoints. It is implied that when you enter the metal detector that you are allowing your person and property to be searched.
Not quite. And, we're getting a bit confused in some of the common law definitions. "Assault" is the THREAT of an unwanted touching. "Battery" is the unwanted touching itself.

To review:
ASSAULT "I'm gonna poke you with my HHMD wand."
BATTERY TSA pokes you with the HHMD wand.

The legal question then becomes whether the person has evinced consent, or whether TSA has privilege. Shopkeepers have privilege to tackle or otherwise restrain shoplifters, for instance. LEOs, of course, are able to physically handle persons. So, we're back to square one with the questions of how far consent goes, and how far TSA may go in its screening procedures.
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Old Sep 30, 2004 | 12:57 pm
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Originally Posted by mizzou65201
The other important factor in your particular incident, GradGirl, is intent. If you think you can prove that the screener <i>intended</i> to touch you in that area with the wand, then you would perhaps have a case. But, if the touching was accidental, you would not have met the requisite intent.
you are absolutely correct, mizzou, and I believe the touching was accidental. I did not pursue criminal prosecution, but I feel the TSA is negligent for placing passengers at risk of being touched in this way. It was no less disturbing for being lawful behavior.

Originally Posted by mizzou65201
But the previous poster is also correct. Implied consent (or explicit consent for that matter) has limits. If the TSA asks you to take your pants off, it is reasonable to conclude that this is beyond the reach of the implied consent. The legal question then becomes less one of whether TSA can make you take your pants off, but one of whether TSA can deny your right to fly for not granting that consent. That's where we get into the sticky "right to travel" issues I'm researching.
Shouldn't consent include a description of the search consented to? Why don't passengers have the right to halt a search at any time because it has gone beyond the bounds of what they wish to consent to? The TSA indeed asks people to take off parts of clothing without which they feel indecently exposed - doesn't this count as beyond the reach of implied consent?
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