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Feb 26, 2003 | 9:30 am

#16

ACES II

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Hey Spiff, do you watch the news or what? TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security, run by Tom Ridge. Mineta is not in the loop anymore. Loy will be replaced soon as well.

Feb 26, 2003 | 9:53 am

#17

Spiff

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Hey Aces, own a calendar? It's not 1 Mar 2003 yet...

Mineta is still the TSA secretary and Loy is still deputy secretary.

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Originally posted by ACES II:
Hey Spiff, do you watch the news or what? TSA falls under the Department of Homeland Security, run by Tom Ridge. Mineta is not in the loop anymore. Loy will be replaced soon as well.

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Feb 26, 2003 | 11:46 am

#18

tsadude

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cholula:
IMO, this is where somebody needs to get a grip on reality. In these days of reinforced cockpit doors, sky marshalls, heightened passenger awareness, etc., what kind of weapon that is small enough to be on a credit card could possibly be used to commandeer an aircraft??

I believe that in the near future that small pointy things will be allowed, but not all planes have reinforced doors an sky marshalls and pilots with weapons. I do not understand why they leave flight attedants out of the security training.

Feb 26, 2003 | 11:51 am

#19

tsadude

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Quote:

Originally posted by FWAAA:
I just tape my ceramic knife to my leg under my socks - TSA has yet to find it.

Of course, now we will have de-socking to check on this latest threat.

I understand what you are doing, but if you do get caught it is artfull concealment and the LEO's will be called.Plus I would not brag about this because someone may turn you in that does not like you( of course nobody here knows you). Just a suggestion.

Feb 26, 2003 | 12:43 pm

#20

tazi

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Quote:

Originally posted by ACES II:
Tazi, you just made the case for the random screening.

No, actually I didn't. Additional wanding, randum or otherwise, is not going to turn up a plastic knife if I have it hidden on my person and there are plenty of places I could do so easily.

Why do you keep bringing up 9-11 as if anything a screener had done could have made a difference? Boxcutters were allowed at the time.

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Feb 26, 2003 | 1:15 pm

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Quote:

Originally posted by tsadude:
I believe that in the near future that small pointy things will be allowed, but not all planes have reinforced doors and sky marshalls and pilots with weapons.

You're right. The deadline for bulletproof cockpit doors is some time in April 2003. After that, prohibiting small knives, etc., will be just silly.

One minor criticism: Anyone who calls the police "LEOs" is obviously very deep into government gobble-de-gook. We are quite happy to use ordinary language around here, like, "We'll call the cops!" No need to sound like a bureaucrat.

Bruce

Feb 26, 2003 | 7:15 pm

#22

ACES II

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Tazi, additional random screening takes place at the gate. Continuous screening is done at the checkpoint. That only entails wanding. Carry-on bags are checked at the gate as well as wanding. Something that is not always done at the checkpoint. Thats how that "gentlemans" knives were found. Just by chance at a random screening at the gate. Maybe our TSA friends can elaborate further.

Edited for content to clarify random/continuous definition.

[This message has been edited by ACES II (edited 02-26-2003).]

Feb 26, 2003 | 8:08 pm

#23

TakeScissorsAway

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Originally posted by Spiff:
Box cutters worked because pilots opened cockpit doors and people cooperated with the hijackers. Box cutters are no longer a credible threat to aircraft, but you'd hate to have your job changed to actually having to perform security rather than harassment, am I right?

I will do the job put before me, just as I do now.

[This message has been edited by TakeScissorsAway (edited 02-26-2003).]

Feb 26, 2003 | 8:10 pm

#24

TakeScissorsAway

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Quote:

Originally posted by Spiff:
One man's delusion, another man's reality.

One man's opinion, another man's BS

[This message has been edited by TakeScissorsAway (edited 02-26-2003).]

Feb 26, 2003 | 8:20 pm

#25

tazi

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Quote:

Originally posted by ACES II:
Tazi, additional random screening takes place at the gate. Continuous screening is done at the checkpoint. That only entails wanding. Carry-on bags are checked at the gate as well as wanding. Something that is not always done at the checkpoint. Thats how that "gentlemans" knives were found. Just by chance at a random screening at the gate. Maybe our TSA friends can elaborate further.

What gentleman? We are talking about someone who posted here having his wallet searched for wallet knives. And I am saying that anyone who has ill intentions will find a way to conceal that item on their body so that it will not be found regardless of whether it is randum or continuous dumb screening. These are not dangerous items and anyone that thinks they are needs counseling.

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deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Ben Franklin

[This message has been edited by tazi (edited 02-26-2003).]

Feb 26, 2003 | 11:13 pm

#26

Cholula

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Why do you keep bringing up 9-11 as if anything a screener had done could have made a difference? Boxcutters were allowed at the time.

I might also add that NOBODY knows...or ever will...what actually brought down those planes. For all we know, the hijackers were equipped with machetes, bandoliers, AK 47's, etc. A few cell phone reports about boxcutters being used does not fully explain what happened on all the planes.
At any rate, boxcutters, wallet knives and "other small pointy things" would have a very slim chance of bringing down a plane today. The key weapon the terrorists had on 9/11 was surprise and that weapon is now obsolete.

Feb 27, 2003 | 6:36 am

#27

TakeScissorsAway

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Quote:

Originally posted by Cholula:

At any rate, boxcutters, wallet knives and "other small pointy things" would have a very slim chance of bringing down a plane today.

Why take a chance, slim or otherwise ?

Feb 27, 2003 | 7:23 am

#28

Spiff

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That's right everybody. Take no chances - stay home under the bed where it's safe. We can't take risks of any kind! Don't drive! Don't leave your house! Don't talk to anyone! You could be taking an unnecessary risk! Grow your own food hydroponically in the basement, drill your own well and purify the water yourself. The key to enjoying a happy, health life is risk elimination!

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Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Why take a chance, slim or otherwise ?

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Feb 27, 2003 | 8:32 am

#29

L-1011

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Quote:

Originally posted by TakeScissorsAway:
Why take a chance, slim or otherwise ?

Well, you apparently do it every day. Many chances, both slim and others.

For starters you you probably get to work. Do you know how many people get killed every day going to and from work? How do you suggest we stop that chance of people getting killed? Or, shall we just live with it and chalk it up to "normal events for the day"?

If we accept that chance of death and mayhem (and that is not a slim chance), what stops us from accepting others?

Feb 27, 2003 | 9:05 am

#30

TakeScissorsAway

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Quote:

Originally posted by L-1011:
Well, you apparently do it every day. Many chances, both slim and others.

For starters you you probably get to work. Do you know how many people get killed every day going to and from work? How do you suggest we stop that chance of people getting killed? Or, shall we just live with it and chalk it up to "normal events for the day"?

If we accept that chance of death and mayhem (and that is not a slim chance), what stops us from accepting others?

If "THAT" or "ANY" chance can be eliminated, then what's the harm ?

[This message has been edited by TakeScissorsAway (edited 02-27-2003).]

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