It is time to let non-ticketed passengers into the concourse
Aug 22, 2021, 2:55 pm
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It is time to let non-ticketed passengers into the concourse
It's been over two decades since 9/11 attacks. Due to security reason. No one can go beyond at security without ticket. I'm tired of waiting!
FAA/TSA have no justifications about Ticketed Passengers Only. They violated the constitutional rights. Those non-ticketed passengers had it right to go through at security without a ticket. They want see loved ones off, families, and friends. They want to watch the planes. Those people wants to eat, meet the friends during layover and go to lounge.
It is time to bring visitors back in the entire concourse. There is no forever! They lied to me. All I want to get an approved from the president. So please sign the petition! It's time! DO IT NOW!!
FAA/TSA have no justifications about Ticketed Passengers Only. They violated the constitutional rights. Those non-ticketed passengers had it right to go through at security without a ticket. They want see loved ones off, families, and friends. They want to watch the planes. Those people wants to eat, meet the friends during layover and go to lounge.
It is time to bring visitors back in the entire concourse. There is no forever! They lied to me. All I want to get an approved from the president. So please sign the petition! It's time! DO IT NOW!!
Aug 22, 2021, 4:33 pm
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US airports are enough of a zoo already.
Last thing I need is e.g. an influx of even more people trying to get through security screening, while I’m trying to do the same in order to make a flight.
Last thing I need is e.g. an influx of even more people trying to get through security screening, while I’m trying to do the same in order to make a flight.
Aug 22, 2021, 4:35 pm
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It's been over two decades since 9/11 attacks. Due to security reason. No one can go beyond at security without ticket. I'm tired of waiting!
FAA/TSA have no justifications about Ticketed Passengers Only. They violated the constitutional rights. Those non-ticketed passengers had it right to go through at security without a ticket. They want see loved ones off, families, and friends. They want to watch the planes. Those people wants to eat, meet the friends during layover and go to lounge.
It is time to bring visitors back in the entire concourse. There is no forever! They lied to me. All I want to get an approved from the president. So please sign the petition! It's time! DO IT NOW!!
FAA/TSA have no justifications about Ticketed Passengers Only. They violated the constitutional rights. Those non-ticketed passengers had it right to go through at security without a ticket. They want see loved ones off, families, and friends. They want to watch the planes. Those people wants to eat, meet the friends during layover and go to lounge.
It is time to bring visitors back in the entire concourse. There is no forever! They lied to me. All I want to get an approved from the president. So please sign the petition! It's time! DO IT NOW!!
Aug 22, 2021, 6:05 pm
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Aug 22, 2021, 11:02 pm
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Aug 23, 2021, 1:06 am
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Aug 23, 2021, 1:08 am
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Absolutely crackers that idea.
Aug 23, 2021, 2:10 am
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On September 9th and 10th in 2001, I could go airside at DCA and at JFK without having any boarding pass and ID check. A return to not having to pull out ID and a boarding pass and dealing with ID checks for me to get airside? That would be welcomed by me, but I doubt we will see that anytime soon.
If the TSA's ID checking of passengers were eliminated, that would allow for bringing in more non-ticketed passengers into the concourses and free up TSA employees to speed up the screening process. [Self-scanning ID thing for PreCheck and Clear maybe could continue somehow, although I wouldn't shed any tears if they eliminate that stuff and default to providing PreCheck-type at-airport screening to all regardless of ID.]
Personally, I don't think an opening of the concourses to non-ticketed passengers would negatively impact me to any material extent; and it would probably benefit me since then I could perhaps more easily get airside deliveries of screened goods without having to go landside myself.
Given the costs for airport parking just to go airside when not flying out, given the hassles of dealing with the TSA security screening process, given the value-for-money gotten from airport purchases of food/drink and goods, I just don't see a real likelihood of armies of non-ticketed people showing up at DCA, IAD, JFK, LGA, MSP and ORD causing me inconvenience at my more typical flight times.
Personally, I don't think an opening of the concourses to non-ticketed passengers would negatively impact me to any material extent; and it would probably benefit me since then I could perhaps more easily get airside deliveries of screened goods without having to go landside myself.
Given the costs for airport parking just to go airside when not flying out, given the hassles of dealing with the TSA security screening process, given the value-for-money gotten from airport purchases of food/drink and goods, I just don't see a real likelihood of armies of non-ticketed people showing up at DCA, IAD, JFK, LGA, MSP and ORD causing me inconvenience at my more typical flight times.
Last edited by GUWonder; Aug 23, 2021 at 2:16 am
Aug 23, 2021, 10:08 am
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Aug 23, 2021, 2:24 pm
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Whatever the merits of doing this in the long run, I can't see that this is the right time for a change--in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.
Aug 23, 2021, 6:20 pm
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I have gone into the concourse as a non ticketed passenger. It was not a problem as I was accompanying my elderly father to the gate. He had wheelchair assistant as well. It worked out fine.
I have also met friends at the airport. I or they just left the concourse, not a problem re-entering.
As for letting the general public through, no way. TSA gauntlet is already nuts, that ain't going away anytime soon. At this point there are bigger battles with the TSA nonsense.
I have also met friends at the airport. I or they just left the concourse, not a problem re-entering.
As for letting the general public through, no way. TSA gauntlet is already nuts, that ain't going away anytime soon. At this point there are bigger battles with the TSA nonsense.
Aug 23, 2021, 8:09 pm
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What's a non-ticketed passenger? How do you board a plane without a ticket?
Aug 23, 2021, 8:11 pm
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Wait.... "Non-ticketed passenger"?
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Don't we call those stowaways?
Fwiw, security theatre was not invented on 9/11. Most gripes about pointless security measures end up getting blamed on 9/11 when they actually have little to do with it. Here for example is a forum thread of people complaining about this policy at various airports in 2001 but in March!
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76047
Also... the list of airports where you can go airside without a ticket includes SEA, PIT, DTW, MSY, FNT, and (temporarily suspended) TPA . The advent of the TSA means there's more paperwork involved since the airport needs to have a "security plan" the TSA approves but apparently that's not actually hard for the airport to arrange if they want to.
MSY: https://flymsy.com/msy-guest-pass/
TPA: https://www.tampaairport.com/tpaallaccess
DTW: https://apps.metroairport.com/DTWDestinationPass/faq
SEA: https://www.portseattle.org/page/sea...r-pass-program
PIT: https://web.archive.org/web/20200229...ams/mypitpass/
FNT: https://signup.com/group/121927595801
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Don't we call those stowaways?
Fwiw, security theatre was not invented on 9/11. Most gripes about pointless security measures end up getting blamed on 9/11 when they actually have little to do with it. Here for example is a forum thread of people complaining about this policy at various airports in 2001 but in March!
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=76047
Also... the list of airports where you can go airside without a ticket includes SEA, PIT, DTW, MSY, FNT, and (temporarily suspended) TPA . The advent of the TSA means there's more paperwork involved since the airport needs to have a "security plan" the TSA approves but apparently that's not actually hard for the airport to arrange if they want to.
MSY: https://flymsy.com/msy-guest-pass/
TPA: https://www.tampaairport.com/tpaallaccess
DTW: https://apps.metroairport.com/DTWDestinationPass/faq
SEA: https://www.portseattle.org/page/sea...r-pass-program
PIT: https://web.archive.org/web/20200229...ams/mypitpass/
FNT: https://signup.com/group/121927595801
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Aug 23, 2021, 10:28 pm
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No, we are not talking about serial stowaway anymore.
Those people want go into the concourse without a ticket. This is not serial stowaway. Just a visitor, but they are not going inside the aircraft. They like to watch the planes. Do some plane spotting, grab a bite to eat, and meet a friends during layover or go to airlines lounge.
Those people want go into the concourse without a ticket. This is not serial stowaway. Just a visitor, but they are not going inside the aircraft. They like to watch the planes. Do some plane spotting, grab a bite to eat, and meet a friends during layover or go to airlines lounge.
Aug 24, 2021, 12:40 am
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