Drinking Alcohol on Board Emirates Flight to Dubai - Wise?
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Trust me, I don’t have much sympathy for a woman going into a backwards dictatorship with a history of violating human rights and acting like she was in a civilized democracy. It’s not like the UAE’s treatment of women isn’t well publicized. It would be like me visiting the UAE with my partner, getting a one bed hotel room, and being shocked at getting arrested for homosexual activity when everyone knows it’s punisha by the death penalty.
She he has learned not to act like you are in a civilized democracy whilst visiting a backwards despotic theocracy.
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It's pretty clear this a just another of inflated, inaccurate and incomplete report [comment removed by moderator].
I've spent time in UAE, where I was able to live a perfectly normal life cluttered with the everyday sins of a western lifestyle. However I was aware that the freedoms I was allowed were conditional. I was expected to be discreet in my sinning, pay traffic fines on time, not write bad checks, and not cross any red lines - some of these not immediately apparent to visitors.
When a visitor causes trouble, crosses a red line, gets up an official's nose, or otherwise becomes undesirable then the authorities have a bewildering array of tools to evict or imprison him or her. Even voicing derogatory criticism of the country can get you in trouble ... and it seems possible that this was one of many offences this lady committed,
Perhaps she had had more han a single glass of wine. Who knows? But she was clearly belligerent and behaved stupidly.
I've spent time in UAE, where I was able to live a perfectly normal life cluttered with the everyday sins of a western lifestyle. However I was aware that the freedoms I was allowed were conditional. I was expected to be discreet in my sinning, pay traffic fines on time, not write bad checks, and not cross any red lines - some of these not immediately apparent to visitors.
When a visitor causes trouble, crosses a red line, gets up an official's nose, or otherwise becomes undesirable then the authorities have a bewildering array of tools to evict or imprison him or her. Even voicing derogatory criticism of the country can get you in trouble ... and it seems possible that this was one of many offences this lady committed,
Perhaps she had had more han a single glass of wine. Who knows? But she was clearly belligerent and behaved stupidly.
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But any weekend night there are floods of intoxicated folk enjoying Dubai's nightlife. It becomes a problem only if the intoxication is extreme, obvious, gets complained about and/or the authorities want to make it a problem.
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I’m amazed half this board hasn’t ended up in the clink coming off flights into DXB.
There will always be details that we don’t know on these stories and imo something else has gone on here. Let’s not jump to conclusions about how the UAE treats men or women or tourists based on this one story.
There will always be details that we don’t know on these stories and imo something else has gone on here. Let’s not jump to conclusions about how the UAE treats men or women or tourists based on this one story.
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DXB passport control seems to be no worse than US passport control. The CBP, like some of its DXB equivalents, can be very hostile to being filmed by passengers.
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Unfortunately, it’s not just this one story. It appears to happen so often that there is an NGO dedicated to providing resources to the victims, as evidenced in the article. And that was my point. It’s a pattern of mistreatment. Not sure why anyone is shocked that a despotic theocracy would act this way.
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Because the outcome that she experience is pretty much the outcome she would get anywhere, nothing to do with theocracy. She is not a victim she tried to enter UAE without a valid visa. She argued and tried to film the argument. It is standard around the world that this is not allowed. When you next take an international flight look around the passport control and you will see signs showing no cameras no matter which country you are in. It has nothing to do with alcohol apart from maybe badly affecting her judgement.
She was jailed for consuming alcohol that was provided by the state run airline. She didn't have any rights of recourse because she was a woman.
I am all for criticizing her behavior, I simply wonder why women and gays still visit knowing they don't have any rights.
Its always perfectly fine until it isn't...then it goes sideways fast.
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Detention behind bars for those considered a high flight risk is standard governmental practice against many people in many foreign places when arrested for one or more criminal violations in a host country and waiting for a trial.
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Unfortunately, it’s not just this one story. It appears to happen so often that there is an NGO dedicated to providing resources to the victims, as evidenced in the article. And that was my point. It’s a pattern of mistreatment. Not sure why anyone is shocked that a despotic theocracy would act this way.
Do you know what a theocracy is? Dubai is not a despotic theocracy. It’s despotic in ways, but it’s no theocracy.
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Unfortunately, it’s not just this one story. It appears to happen so often that there is an NGO dedicated to providing resources to the victims, as evidenced in the article. And that was my point. It’s a pattern of mistreatment. Not sure why anyone is shocked that a despotic theocracy would act this way.
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Getting into a so-called heated verbal altercation, while appearing drunk, against a US CBP employee over a matter of admission at a US airport of entry has sometimes resulted in arrest and detention behind bars for days and days. And as has becoming obvious to more, the US DHS does forcefully separate parents from young children at times and even hold them behind separate lock-ups. At least this mom at DXB was detained with her young daughter.
DXB passport control seems to be no worse than US passport control. The CBP, like some of its DXB equivalents, can be very hostile to being filmed by passengers.
But she isn't from the United States. And it didn't happen in the United States. And I never mentioned the United States. I mentioned a civilized democracy.
So, I am still completely confused why people keep responding about what would happen in the United States. How is that valid to my point?
If it quacks like a duck.....
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And I disagree. She was jailed because she violated a law. According to her, she was jailed with her child and forced to clean toilets. No trial, no due process.
She was jailed for consuming alcohol that was provided by the state run airline. She didn't have any rights of recourse because she was a woman.
I am all for criticizing her behavior, I simply wonder why women and gays still visit knowing they don't have any rights.
Its always perfectly fine until it isn't...then it goes sideways fast.
She was jailed for consuming alcohol that was provided by the state run airline. She didn't have any rights of recourse because she was a woman.
I am all for criticizing her behavior, I simply wonder why women and gays still visit knowing they don't have any rights.
Its always perfectly fine until it isn't...then it goes sideways fast.
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bitterprofit does have a point regarding the fact that what would happen in the USA is irrelevant to this discussion, but replace US CBP with UK BF and screaming and filming at immigration would be just as bad.
What I would like to find out is why she apparently needed a visa, as it doesn't appear that she lives in the UAE. Under what circumstances would a tourist from the EU require a visa to visit the UAE?
What I would like to find out is why she apparently needed a visa, as it doesn't appear that she lives in the UAE. Under what circumstances would a tourist from the EU require a visa to visit the UAE?
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But she isn't from the United States. And it didn't happen in the United States. And I never mentioned the United States. I mentioned a civilized democracy.
So, I am still completely confused why people keep responding about what would happen in the United States. How is that valid to my point?
So, I am still completely confused why people keep responding about what would happen in the United States. How is that valid to my point?
Knowing what goes on with passport control across different countries is relevant to her and to this kind of situation, as it puts things in perspective for those considering this situation without jumping onto some kind of xenophobic bandwagon or other questionable agenda. Being hostile with passport control authorities when of questionable admissibility and obstructing in the performance of passport control authorities duties and filming it against the rules isn’t a sure fire way of avoiding trouble. Not in the US, not in the UAE, not in the UK, not in Iran. Maybe in Sweden.
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bitterprofit does have a point regarding the fact that what would happen in the USA is irrelevant to this discussion, but replace US CBP with UK BF and screaming and filming at immigration would be just as bad.
What I would like to find out is why she apparently needed a visa, as it doesn't appear that she lives in the UAE. Under what circumstances would a tourist from the EU require a visa to visit the UAE?
What I would like to find out is why she apparently needed a visa, as it doesn't appear that she lives in the UAE. Under what circumstances would a tourist from the EU require a visa to visit the UAE?
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if she’s a working dentist in the UK, how does she have so much time to play tourist in Dubai so as to exceed that limit? Or was she also working illegally in the UAE?
Given she may also be an Iranian citizen — whether she claims it or not, Iranian citizenship can be hard for some to legally surrender — who knows if that was part of why she faced problems at DXB. While
DXB is still doing lots of business with Iran and Iranian nationals, encountering anti-Iranian Emiratis is part of the scene from time to time.
Given she may also be an Iranian citizen — whether she claims it or not, Iranian citizenship can be hard for some to legally surrender — who knows if that was part of why she faced problems at DXB. While
DXB is still doing lots of business with Iran and Iranian nationals, encountering anti-Iranian Emiratis is part of the scene from time to time.