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I think there are a few Federal agencies that offer PreCheck and that may include DHS but I know for sure DoD does. DoD does not provide enrollment in Global Entry so my wife has a KTN through her status as an Army employee and a PassID through her personal GE enrollment. She uses the GE PassID in her airline profiles.
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TSA Pre✓® is available to members of the Armed Forces & DOD civilians. All others will need to apply.
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Yes. There's a number on the back of their Common Access Card (CAC) that they can use as their KTN. Can't remember when that went into effect for sure but it's been like that for two to three years maybe longer. It does not apply to retired DoD members.
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If you don't mind my asking, why did you decide in favor of the GE PassID instead of the DOD KTN? Do all DOD employees get a KTN or just those that travel for work?
Seems kind of weird that you can effectively have two KTNs active at the same time. I didn't think that was possible with regular GE/PreCheck/Sentri/Nexus.
Seems kind of weird that you can effectively have two KTNs active at the same time. I didn't think that was possible with regular GE/PreCheck/Sentri/Nexus.
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I honestly don't remember the story behind extending PreCheck to DoD uniformed members and civilian employees. DoD didn't make a big deal of it at the time, at least not in the sense that there was a big official announcement on why or how they reached that agreement. There might have been a behind the scenes agreement not to further embarrass DHS. I know wife traveled for a number of years with just the DoD provided KTN with no issues. Of course she was traveling extensively at the time and also had advanced frequent flyer status so she was getting PreCheck regularly even without the DoD KTN. We debated switching to the GE PassID when she enrolled in that program but finally decided to use it instead of the DoD KTN.
A wounded Purple Heart Marine's humiliating experience at a security checkpoint in California has left supporters and an assemblyman outraged.
The extra scrutiny faced by Marine Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz last month — prompted because he was wearing “too much metal” — is the latest incident highlighting how injured veterans tackle strict security measures in a post-9/11 world.
Kemnitz’s supporters told the Military Times there was no need for the mistreatment by workers — and even wrote Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki about the incident.
“What does a uniform and heroism represent if our own citizens — in this case employees of the TSA and security personnel — have no regard for them?” wrote Patricia Martin, veterans services coordinator at Pasadena City College who was also with Kemnitz when he went through security.
The extra scrutiny faced by Marine Cpl. Nathan Kemnitz last month — prompted because he was wearing “too much metal” — is the latest incident highlighting how injured veterans tackle strict security measures in a post-9/11 world.
Kemnitz’s supporters told the Military Times there was no need for the mistreatment by workers — and even wrote Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki about the incident.
“What does a uniform and heroism represent if our own citizens — in this case employees of the TSA and security personnel — have no regard for them?” wrote Patricia Martin, veterans services coordinator at Pasadena City College who was also with Kemnitz when he went through security.
As the result of the ongoing partnership with the Department of Defense (DoD), starting tomorrow, the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will officially extend TSA Pre✓™ expedited screening benefits to all U.S. Armed Forces service members. Service members, including those serving in the U.S. Coast Guard, Reserves and National Guard will be able to enjoy the benefits of this expedited screening program at more than 100 participating airports when flying on nine major U.S. airlines.
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If you don't mind my asking, why did you decide in favor of the GE PassID instead of the DOD KTN? Do all DOD employees get a KTN or just those that travel for work?
Seems kind of weird that you can effectively have two KTNs active at the same time. I didn't think that was possible with regular GE/PreCheck/Sentri/Nexus.
Seems kind of weird that you can effectively have two KTNs active at the same time. I didn't think that was possible with regular GE/PreCheck/Sentri/Nexus.
As for having more than one qualifying KTN/PassID number it's actually the way the government has it set up. For example, a TSA issued KTN can only be used for PreCheck and is not shared with/exported to Global Entry yet a Global Entry PassID is not only your GE number but can and is shared with TSA for PreCheck. Make sense? Not to me but that is the way it works. Obviously there's no reason to do it but in my wife's case she could have actually had three qualifying numbers at one time. She could have enrolled in TSA PreCheck, then gotten a separate KTN through DoD, and finally enrolled in GE for her third qualifying number. Apparently there's nothing to prohibit and control this. Oh well......it is the Federal government.
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No, NEXUS. You're reading the wrong column. Says NEXUS is $50 and SENTRI is $122.50. I think you would only want SENTRI if you wanted to cross to and from Mexico by land. It looks like it covers Canada and Mexico land crossings (plus the other things). NEXUS doesn't cover Mexico land crossings.
I don't think there is an equivalent expedited entry into Mexico at land crossings. However, Mexico has a trusted traveler program called Viajero Confiable that works similarly to GE in a few of their airports; US and Canadian citizens who are members of NEXUS or GE are eligible to apply.
I definitely think that chart in the passport envelope was designed by TSA because they messed it all up.
You get the TSA-only program if you can't pass the background check for GE, or if you have a high confidence that you won't have occasion to use GE in the next 5 years.
You should choose NEXUS not only if you want it for easier travel between the US and Canada, but anytime you are situation so that it is convenient for you to get to a NEXUS enrollment center for the signup interview.
You get the TSA-only program if you can't pass the background check for GE, or if you have a high confidence that you won't have occasion to use GE in the next 5 years.
You should choose NEXUS not only if you want it for easier travel between the US and Canada, but anytime you are situation so that it is convenient for you to get to a NEXUS enrollment center for the signup interview.
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Perhaps not so surprising. This is the US government of which we speak -- which always has multiple programs to "control" any one thing. When one doesn't work, create another and let both fail; rinse, repeat, etc. This is how we end up with so many welfare programs that all fail.
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PreCheck is the lame TSA-sponsored program for domestic security expedited screening privileges.
Global Entry is the CBP program for expedited immigration/customs for re-entry to the United States.
Nexus is the joint program for expedited immigrations/customs with Canada.
Sentri is the joint program with Mexico.
Also, it's the DHS which is pushing ALL of its programs, not TSA pushing PreCheck. The more they increase membership in all the programs, the more revenue they get.
As for GE not being "entitled" to PreCheck and "check the forums" for horror stories, most of the ones out there are people who misunderstand the program and think they can just show up to the PreCheck line, flash their GE ID, and get in without having entered their KTN number on their FF profile or their reservation. And yes, the blue moon no precheck thing is reported every now and again, but I'd say it's rare. YEs, there was a period of about 4 flights in a row I did not get PreCheck, but that was probably 3.5-4 years ago. I can't recall not having received PreCheck in the hundreds of domestic flights since.