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trvlguy1 Jan 24, 2013 8:37 am

Ha. These replies have become comical.

Get a job. Get a life or get out of the country. Be proud of the USA , I am.

Stay home in your underwear eating cheetos and typing away in a forum to unknown posters .

spd476 Jan 24, 2013 8:44 am

I could care less who is on the plane, as long as they have been properly screened and have no weapons or bombs.

saulblum Jan 24, 2013 8:54 am


Originally Posted by trvlguy1 (Post 20114381)
Stay home in your underwear eating cheetos and typing away in a forum to unknown posters .

Here's a mirror, my friend.

txrus Jan 24, 2013 9:01 am


Originally Posted by yandosan (Post 20114334)
You do realize, thanks to their VIPR squads, there is no escaping them on buses, trains, subways, football stadiums, highways, & even political rallies now?



I don't think they have the resources to do this.
With airplanes they can hide behind 911 hysteria
but I don't envision them saturating highways,
bus depots and football stadiums with Blue Meanies.
I also wonder if 1776 would commence, to quote Alex Jones, if they did.

A minimal amount of searching this Forum will show you that they do have the resources, thanks to the $8 Billion+/yr we are giving them, & they are, in fact doing all of this. There are threads that address each & everyone one of these areas they have shown up in to perform their special kind of theater.

jtodd Jan 24, 2013 9:02 am


Originally Posted by trvlguy1 (Post 20114381)
Ha. These replies have become comical.

Get a job. Get a life or get out of the country. Be proud of the USA , I am.

Stay home in your underwear eating cheetos and typing away in a forum to unknown posters .

As comical as a government that is broke and continues to spend itself into deeper debt? Or as comical as an agency of that government that continues to infringe on the peoples rights for no real reason other than show and to waste money?

Are you going to provide any real material to this discussion or just continue to troll? Provide a reasonable explanation as to your stance and the merits of such can be discussed. As it is, I haven't seen or heard an explanation yet as to how any quantifiable safety is achieved through this practice.

Schmoops Jan 24, 2013 9:12 am

This also happened to me Sunday on my LGA-ATL flight. The gate agent announced that everyone should have their ID out as a TSA agent would be performing random ID checks prior to boarding.

The TSA agent stood in the jetway. I was probably the 7th or 8th person who boarded in First, and she did not check anyone in front of me.

saulblum Jan 24, 2013 9:45 am

Come on, we all know this is because of that plot in 2008 to attack a bunch of trans-Atlantic jetliners by sawing through the cockpit door with a shorn fake ID.

Next time you see a TSO demanding your ID as you board, smile at him and thank him for keeping you safe from this evil plot.

goalie Jan 24, 2013 10:01 am

Long running discussion over here:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/check...rrrhhhggg.html

And when I get "picked", I show them my I/d and then ask the question "so what did y'all miss at the checkpoint?" <and then wait for the look of befuddlement> ;)

FredAnderssen Jan 24, 2013 12:45 pm

I was checked between the podium and jetway on a Delta flight from MSP last week. I was struggling to pull out my water bottle and the TSA guy asked me for my ID and boarding pass which I had in one hand.

"Perfect timing." I said as I then had both hands free to reach for my water bottle in my carryon.

He had to wait for me to unzip the bag, then zip it back up before I could grab my stuff from him again.

It was quite convenient. I'll have to insist on having the TSA there in the future. It's always good to have a third hand when you're getting ready for a flight.

I sometimes struggle in the toilet with my bag, coat, boarding pass and what not. I hate putting the bag down into a pool of urine. It sure would be convenient to have a TSA standing next to the urinal to hold some of my stuff.

It's kind of like having a personal butler at every airport.

STBCypriot Jan 24, 2013 12:45 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingUnderTheRadar (Post 20112087)
USA

http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

We understand passengers occasionally arrive at the airport without an ID, due to lost items or inadvertently leaving them at home. Not having an ID, does not necessarily mean a passenger won't be allowed to fly. If passengers are willing to provide additional information, we have other means of substantiating someone's identity, like using publicly available databases.

I understand that this option is available when going through security initially and one would have to allow extra time for TSA to do their supersecret identity substantiation. But this brings up the question as to how this is handled when they do a gate ID check. I suspect that in this case the person without an ID would end up missing their flight because TSA would not be able to perform their supersecret identity substantiation in a timely manner.

mikeef Jan 24, 2013 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by trvlguy1 (Post 20114381)
Ha. These replies have become comical.

Get a job. Get a life or get out of the country. Be proud of the USA , I am.

Stay home in your underwear eating cheetos and typing away in a forum to unknown posters .

I agree with you. The ID check can only make us safer. As for the "get a job" part, the ID checks are a part of the Full Employment Act of 2013, so they are generating jobs.

In fact, I don't think we go far enough. Let's face it, fake IDs aren't exactly the toughest things in the world to get. I'd prefer that we do fingerprinting. It's a simple procedure: Before you travel, you have to register your fingerprints with DHS. Then, each time you travel, the TSA scans your fingerprints. If it's a match, you're good to go. I'm not sure what good it does, but how can it hurt? After all, a little inconvenience is nothing compared to a 100% guarantee of safety.

Concession stands and retail stores at the airport should also be run by government agents. Maybe the TSA. I'm not really sure what good it would do, but I want to know who it is buying those 600-page Ken Follett books that you could whack someone over the head with. After all, a little inconvenience is nothing compared to a 100% guarantee of safety.

This policy should actually apply before you even get to the airport. According to Wikipedia, there were 32,885 auto accident deaths in 2010. In other words, the drive to the airport is clearly more dangerous than the flight. So I propose a checkpoint every three miles. Cars would be stopped randomly. Also, the speed limit would be reduced to 20 MPH. After all, a little inconvenience is nothing compared to a 100% guarantee of safety.

But why stop there? After all, there's a lot of people who want to get us. I'm thinking an anonymous tip line would be a good way to prevent terrorists from getting ahead of us. Neighbor acting suspiciously? Call the tip line and the police will check them out. If they're innocent, they have nothing to worry about. I mean, sure, it might be a little inconvenient, but that's nothing compared to a 100% guarantee of safety.

This forum often overlooks the little things that impacts the Vaterland homeland. It's time we got a little more concerned about them. I'm not sure what good they do, but they can't hurt, can they? The founding fathers didn't have to deal with terrorists when they wrote the Bill of Rights, did they? Heck, they didn't even have airplanes back then! I consider the Constitution one of the most sacred documents in the history of the world, but if we have to overlook a few things to keep ourselves safe, how bad can it be?

Mike

cochinjew Jan 24, 2013 2:56 pm

TSA ID check at OMA airport
 
This is not an international airport, nor it is a busy airport. But last week when we boarded UA flight to ORD, it was announced before hand that TSA would be doing an ID check and I showed them my passport and they looked at it and waved me through.
I remember multiple times IDs being checked in Charles de Gaulle, Tokyo Narita etc...
I dont get upset about it...at TLV i would be upset if i were not checked multiple times...

saulblum Jan 24, 2013 3:01 pm

You know, the real reason more people are not as pissed off at stuff like this as they should be is because they have no idea how much it is costing them.

Figure out a TSO's hourly wage, divide it by the number of passengers checked, and make passengers hand over cash along with their ID to cover the cost of that gate ID check.

Maybe then the fine citizens of this country will realize how homeland security is bankrupting this nation.

AlwaysFlyStar Jan 24, 2013 4:00 pm


Originally Posted by mikeef (Post 20116073)
After all, a little inconvenience is nothing compared to a 100% guarantee of safety.

While I surely don't need to explain the logical fallacy in your statements, I must say that the whole point is trying to find a middle ground. According to your post, the world would be better off with no security checks anywhere. And while you may like that, I prefer aeroplanes to be gun free zones.

GUWonder Jan 24, 2013 4:44 pm


Originally Posted by AlwaysFlyStar (Post 20117400)
While I surely don't need to explain the logical fallacy in your statements, I must say that the whole point is trying to find a middle ground. According to your post, the world would be better off with no security checks anywhere. And while you may like that, I prefer aeroplanes to be gun free zones.

There is no logical fallacy in the post from which you clipped. The post from which you got your clipping is an artistic form of amusing expression known as sarcasm -- the sarcasm being provided in response to a post that may well be considered to convey amusing nonsense in and of itself.

The only post in this thread that has actually made a claim about having no security checks for guns is actually your post.

By the way, a variety of TATL flying carriers don't have all their planes operating as "gun free zones".


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