TSA wants to get more intimate when doing passenger pat downs.
Mar 9, 2017, 11:56 am
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From what I've read, the new procedure goes even further than this because two hands are actually in the genitals up to 5 or 6 times, not "just" a hand running up the inside of the thigh to briefly touch between the legs. Of course, then we do have screeners who have enjoyed jabbing people in the genitals when doing this procedure; maybe the new procedure if done properly doesn't allow for jabbing.
Mar 9, 2017, 12:27 pm
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From watching the screening video linked in post #80 I would encourage anyone getting a pat down to demand clean gloves. The screener in the video put his hands in that persons hair. I don't need a transfer of critters from some other unknown person to myself because TSA can't figure out how to screen people. As if that man could have hidden anything in his short hair that would constitute a threat.
And now I am wondering what will a resolution pat down be like? Just how much more invasive can TSA get since they are already over the sexual assault line?
And now I am wondering what will a resolution pat down be like? Just how much more invasive can TSA get since they are already over the sexual assault line?
Mar 9, 2017, 12:44 pm
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Thanks for finding this. I'm wondering why they allowed this to be recorded.
From what I've read, the new procedure goes even further than this because two hands are actually in the genitals up to 5 or 6 times, not "just" a hand running up the inside of the thigh to briefly touch between the legs. Of course, then we do have screeners who have enjoyed jabbing people in the genitals when doing this procedure; maybe the new procedure if done properly doesn't allow for jabbing.
From what I've read, the new procedure goes even further than this because two hands are actually in the genitals up to 5 or 6 times, not "just" a hand running up the inside of the thigh to briefly touch between the legs. Of course, then we do have screeners who have enjoyed jabbing people in the genitals when doing this procedure; maybe the new procedure if done properly doesn't allow for jabbing.
Mar 9, 2017, 6:02 pm
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Thanks for finding this. I'm wondering why they allowed this to be recorded.
From what I've read, the new procedure goes even further than this because two hands are actually in the genitals up to 5 or 6 times, not "just" a hand running up the inside of the thigh to briefly touch between the legs. Of course, then we do have screeners who have enjoyed jabbing people in the genitals when doing this procedure; maybe the new procedure if done properly doesn't allow for jabbing.
From what I've read, the new procedure goes even further than this because two hands are actually in the genitals up to 5 or 6 times, not "just" a hand running up the inside of the thigh to briefly touch between the legs. Of course, then we do have screeners who have enjoyed jabbing people in the genitals when doing this procedure; maybe the new procedure if done properly doesn't allow for jabbing.
From watching the screening video linked in post #80 I would encourage anyone getting a pat down to demand clean gloves. The screener in the video put his hands in that persons hair. I don't need a transfer of critters from some other unknown person to myself because TSA can't figure out how to screen people. As if that man could have hidden anything in his short hair that would constitute a threat.
And now I am wondering what will a resolution pat down be like? Just how much more invasive can TSA get since they are already over the sexual assault line?
And now I am wondering what will a resolution pat down be like? Just how much more invasive can TSA get since they are already over the sexual assault line?
We can't lose sight of the fact that the TSA "employees" are not sexually assaulting us to find underwear bombs. They are groping us to collect residue on their gloves in the hope that we will test "positive". Since they have already sexually assaulted us equivalent to the "resolution pat-down," I wonder what's next: a strip search? a body cavity search? an arrest on suspicion of terrorism?
Mar 9, 2017, 8:08 pm
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I'm one of those people that opts out on principle (I'm precheck, but if I get that random beep...)
Call me childish, but I absolutely do everything in my power to make it extremely uncomfortable for the screener and their supervisor.
I would have zero issues, provided this new pat down is indeed more invasive, summoning law enforcement and declaring assault personally against the screener. In all honesty, though, I would need to hear the new 'speech' before the patdown, in order to determine if I willingly agreed to it or not beforehand.
I frequently fly through SFO, which is not TSA technically, so if it happens, I'll report back.
Call me childish, but I absolutely do everything in my power to make it extremely uncomfortable for the screener and their supervisor.
I would have zero issues, provided this new pat down is indeed more invasive, summoning law enforcement and declaring assault personally against the screener. In all honesty, though, I would need to hear the new 'speech' before the patdown, in order to determine if I willingly agreed to it or not beforehand.
I frequently fly through SFO, which is not TSA technically, so if it happens, I'll report back.
Mar 10, 2017, 2:48 am
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I'm one of those people that opts out on principle (I'm precheck, but if I get that random beep...)
Call me childish, but I absolutely do everything in my power to make it extremely uncomfortable for the screener and their supervisor.
I would have zero issues, provided this new pat down is indeed more invasive, summoning law enforcement and declaring assault personally against the screener. In all honesty, though, I would need to hear the new 'speech' before the patdown, in order to determine if I willingly agreed to it or not beforehand.
I frequently fly through SFO, which is not TSA technically, so if it happens, I'll report back.
Call me childish, but I absolutely do everything in my power to make it extremely uncomfortable for the screener and their supervisor.
I would have zero issues, provided this new pat down is indeed more invasive, summoning law enforcement and declaring assault personally against the screener. In all honesty, though, I would need to hear the new 'speech' before the patdown, in order to determine if I willingly agreed to it or not beforehand.
I frequently fly through SFO, which is not TSA technically, so if it happens, I'll report back.
There's an old Russian proverb that while you may decide whether or not to dance with the bear in the first place, the bear is the one who decides when the dance is over.
Start claiming assault and you might find the police demand you file a police report. They might insist that you wait to be questioned. And no one's going to hold your departing flight for you. Miss your flight? Too bad.
Also, remember who has your name, DOB, and all your vitals. You might well find yourself getting a lot of secondary screenings in the future.
I share your outrage, but would think twice about making a scene.
Mar 10, 2017, 3:28 am
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There's an old Russian proverb that while you may decide whether or not to dance with the bear in the first place, the bear is the one who decides when the dance is over.
Start claiming assault and you might find the police demand you file a police report. They might insist that you wait to be questioned. And no one's going to hold your departing flight for you. Miss your flight? Too bad.
Also, remember who has your name, DOB, and all your vitals. You might well find yourself getting a lot of secondary screenings in the future.
I share your outrage, but would think twice about making a scene.
Start claiming assault and you might find the police demand you file a police report. They might insist that you wait to be questioned. And no one's going to hold your departing flight for you. Miss your flight? Too bad.
Also, remember who has your name, DOB, and all your vitals. You might well find yourself getting a lot of secondary screenings in the future.
I share your outrage, but would think twice about making a scene.
Just because someone calls for police involvement doesn't mean the person calling the police is required to file a police report.
"La resistance est inutile"? No, especially not when the TSA wants to touch and more than touch our "resistance".
Will the TSA perhaps try to make passengers pay a price for peaceful and orderly resistance to getting fondled like this? Perhaps. Will that stop me from doing my legal part to challenge the TSA? No.
Mar 10, 2017, 5:30 am
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There's an old Russian proverb that while you may decide whether or not to dance with the bear in the first place, the bear is the one who decides when the dance is over.
Start claiming assault and you might find the police demand you file a police report. They might insist that you wait to be questioned. And no one's going to hold your departing flight for you. Miss your flight? Too bad.
Also, remember who has your name, DOB, and all your vitals. You might well find yourself getting a lot of secondary screenings in the future.
I share your outrage, but would think twice about making a scene.
Start claiming assault and you might find the police demand you file a police report. They might insist that you wait to be questioned. And no one's going to hold your departing flight for you. Miss your flight? Too bad.
Also, remember who has your name, DOB, and all your vitals. You might well find yourself getting a lot of secondary screenings in the future.
I share your outrage, but would think twice about making a scene.
Mar 10, 2017, 6:14 am
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The TSA isn't the bear. And if the TSA retaliates, it's going to open itself for further challenge.
Just because someone calls for police involvement doesn't mean the person calling the police is required to file a police report.
"La resistance est inutile"? No, especially not when the TSA wants to touch and more than touch our "resistance".
Will the TSA perhaps try to make passengers pay a price for peaceful and orderly resistance to getting fondled like this? Perhaps. Will that stop me from doing my legal part to challenge the TSA? No.
Just because someone calls for police involvement doesn't mean the person calling the police is required to file a police report.
"La resistance est inutile"? No, especially not when the TSA wants to touch and more than touch our "resistance".
Will the TSA perhaps try to make passengers pay a price for peaceful and orderly resistance to getting fondled like this? Perhaps. Will that stop me from doing my legal part to challenge the TSA? No.
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Folks,
We can't lose sight of the fact that the TSA "employees" are not sexually assaulting us to find underwear bombs. They are groping us to collect residue on their gloves in the hope that we will test "positive". Since they have already sexually assaulted us equivalent to the "resolution pat-down," I wonder what's next: a strip search? a body cavity search? an arrest on suspicion of terrorism?
We can't lose sight of the fact that the TSA "employees" are not sexually assaulting us to find underwear bombs. They are groping us to collect residue on their gloves in the hope that we will test "positive". Since they have already sexually assaulted us equivalent to the "resolution pat-down," I wonder what's next: a strip search? a body cavity search? an arrest on suspicion of terrorism?
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Mar 10, 2017, 11:00 pm
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Mar 12, 2017, 2:09 pm
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Just observed the female version of the "new, safer-for-security-and-cognitively-challenged TSOs" grope of the groin as I passed through PreCheck at DTW.
(Note: Saw at least two people forced to go through MMW scanner at PreCheck today during my 5 minutes at the checkpoint. Bummer for the people who paid for it and still get treated to the regular nonsense.)
Female version is:
1. Female TSO interlocks fingers from both hands into a rectangular shape for the two hands together.
2. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, "backside of hands toward victim", from right to left multiple times, moving down about an inch for each subsequent rub.
3. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, moving downwards multiple times, moving an inch to the left for each subsequent rub.
Full contact is made with the groin. Also, the procedure STILL involves rubbing the TSO's hands up and down the thigh into the groin area. So nothing lost from previous procedure, just more disgusting things added.
(Side note: TSO called bag check on my carryon bag cause of "fear" I had a sharp object in the bag. Apparently the X-ray scan made my car keys look funny. I told the TSO there were no sharp objects in the bag; he said "I trust you, but I need to check it anyway." My comment: "No, you don't trust me, else I'd already be on my way." He did a double-take, then said, "Well, yes, trust but verify in order to be safe." I commented "Neither verification nor safety is occurring here today.")
(Note: Saw at least two people forced to go through MMW scanner at PreCheck today during my 5 minutes at the checkpoint. Bummer for the people who paid for it and still get treated to the regular nonsense.)
Female version is:
1. Female TSO interlocks fingers from both hands into a rectangular shape for the two hands together.
2. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, "backside of hands toward victim", from right to left multiple times, moving down about an inch for each subsequent rub.
3. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, moving downwards multiple times, moving an inch to the left for each subsequent rub.
Full contact is made with the groin. Also, the procedure STILL involves rubbing the TSO's hands up and down the thigh into the groin area. So nothing lost from previous procedure, just more disgusting things added.
(Side note: TSO called bag check on my carryon bag cause of "fear" I had a sharp object in the bag. Apparently the X-ray scan made my car keys look funny. I told the TSO there were no sharp objects in the bag; he said "I trust you, but I need to check it anyway." My comment: "No, you don't trust me, else I'd already be on my way." He did a double-take, then said, "Well, yes, trust but verify in order to be safe." I commented "Neither verification nor safety is occurring here today.")
Mar 12, 2017, 2:32 pm
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Just observed the female version of the "new, safer-for-security-and-cognitively-challenged TSOs" grope of the groin as I passed through PreCheck at DTW.
(Note: Saw at least two people forced to go through MMW scanner at PreCheck today during my 5 minutes at the checkpoint. Bummer for the people who paid for it and still get treated to the regular nonsense.)
Female version is:
1. Female TSO interlocks fingers from both hands into a rectangular shape for the two hands together.
2. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, "backside of hands toward victim", from right to left multiple times, moving down about an inch for each subsequent rub.
3. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, moving downwards multiple times, moving an inch to the left for each subsequent rub.
Full contact is made with the groin. Also, the procedure STILL involves rubbing the TSO's hands up and down the thigh into the groin area. So nothing lost from previous procedure, just more disgusting things added.
(Side note: TSO called bag check on my carryon bag cause of "fear" I had a sharp object in the bag. Apparently the X-ray scan made my car keys look funny. I told the TSO there were no sharp objects in the bag; he said "I trust you, but I need to check it anyway." My comment: "No, you don't trust me, else I'd already be on my way." He did a double-take, then said, "Well, yes, trust but verify in order to be safe." I commented "Neither verification nor safety is occurring here today.")
(Note: Saw at least two people forced to go through MMW scanner at PreCheck today during my 5 minutes at the checkpoint. Bummer for the people who paid for it and still get treated to the regular nonsense.)
Female version is:
1. Female TSO interlocks fingers from both hands into a rectangular shape for the two hands together.
2. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, "backside of hands toward victim", from right to left multiple times, moving down about an inch for each subsequent rub.
3. Female TSO then starts rubbing the groin starting at right top side, moving downwards multiple times, moving an inch to the left for each subsequent rub.
Full contact is made with the groin. Also, the procedure STILL involves rubbing the TSO's hands up and down the thigh into the groin area. So nothing lost from previous procedure, just more disgusting things added.
(Side note: TSO called bag check on my carryon bag cause of "fear" I had a sharp object in the bag. Apparently the X-ray scan made my car keys look funny. I told the TSO there were no sharp objects in the bag; he said "I trust you, but I need to check it anyway." My comment: "No, you don't trust me, else I'd already be on my way." He did a double-take, then said, "Well, yes, trust but verify in order to be safe." I commented "Neither verification nor safety is occurring here today.")
Mar 12, 2017, 2:37 pm
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