CBP Deploys Facial Recognition to Verify Identities of Departing Int'l Travelers
Jun 16, 2016, 12:52 pm
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FRT is in use at many (if not most) large hub airports (as well as major sporting and other large attendance events, casinos, etc.) and has been for many years. FRT is quite effective and getting more effective all the time. In 2004 I was shown how cameras on the blimps over Athens could pick out faces from more than 1,500 meters above a crowd.
One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport.
Should someone try to decline or refuse to be photographed, or attempt to obstruct the camera taking a photo, at an immigration inspection point, that person will no doubt experience quite a lengthy delay in their travel plans while undergoing additional scrutiny (if they are not denied entry).
But, YMMV.
One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport.
Should someone try to decline or refuse to be photographed, or attempt to obstruct the camera taking a photo, at an immigration inspection point, that person will no doubt experience quite a lengthy delay in their travel plans while undergoing additional scrutiny (if they are not denied entry).
But, YMMV.
Jun 16, 2016, 2:37 pm
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"In 2004 I was shown how cameras on the blimps over Athens could pick out faces from more than 1,500 meters above a crowd."
I think you're confusing camera resolution with the ability of computers to ascertain a person's name/identity based on a photo of his face.
"One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport."
Please tell this to TSA , airport cops, and all the other airport security goons. They're the only ones I see throwing hissy-fits these days when someone uses a camera in an airport.
Come to think of it, they're the ones doing most of the smuggling, so I think I understand their distress.
I think you're confusing camera resolution with the ability of computers to ascertain a person's name/identity based on a photo of his face.
"One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport."
Please tell this to TSA , airport cops, and all the other airport security goons. They're the only ones I see throwing hissy-fits these days when someone uses a camera in an airport.
Come to think of it, they're the ones doing most of the smuggling, so I think I understand their distress.
Last edited by yandosan; Jun 16, 2016 at 2:59 pm
Jun 16, 2016, 3:24 pm
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Oh, and a further example where FR is used: if you are departing on a domestic flight from LHR T5 or T2 (and possibly further UK airports): a photo will be taken when you enter the secure area (or alternatively, when passing transfer immigration if transferring), this is then matched at the departure gate.
Flights have occasionally been held back and individual passengers deplaned when the facial recognition didn't match (sometimes the original photo was messed up, sometimes a BP was reprinted, and the photos are tied to a specific BP, perhaps occasionally someone boarded without first passing UK immigration). Most of the time it works without a hitch.
TL;DR: it works.
Flights have occasionally been held back and individual passengers deplaned when the facial recognition didn't match (sometimes the original photo was messed up, sometimes a BP was reprinted, and the photos are tied to a specific BP, perhaps occasionally someone boarded without first passing UK immigration). Most of the time it works without a hitch.
TL;DR: it works.
Jun 16, 2016, 3:50 pm
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Jun 17, 2016, 1:44 am
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Jun 17, 2016, 2:11 am
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Police and politicians love to throw around the idea of Facial RecognitionTechnology. They've been doing it for years.
It makes them feel powerful. However, the truth is computers are not very good at discriminating human faces. Besides, if it did work, by some miracle, millions would walk around with masks on, just to prevent gov't goons from tracking their every move. File under : "false alarm" in the Odyssey Files.
It makes them feel powerful. However, the truth is computers are not very good at discriminating human faces. Besides, if it did work, by some miracle, millions would walk around with masks on, just to prevent gov't goons from tracking their every move. File under : "false alarm" in the Odyssey Files.
Oh, and a further example where FR is used: if you are departing on a domestic flight from LHR T5 or T2 (and possibly further UK airports): a photo will be taken when you enter the secure area (or alternatively, when passing transfer immigration if transferring), this is then matched at the departure gate.
Flights have occasionally been held back and individual passengers deplaned when the facial recognition didn't match (sometimes the original photo was messed up, sometimes a BP was reprinted, and the photos are tied to a specific BP, perhaps occasionally someone boarded without first passing UK immigration). Most of the time it works without a hitch.
TL;DR: it works.
Flights have occasionally been held back and individual passengers deplaned when the facial recognition didn't match (sometimes the original photo was messed up, sometimes a BP was reprinted, and the photos are tied to a specific BP, perhaps occasionally someone boarded without first passing UK immigration). Most of the time it works without a hitch.
TL;DR: it works.
Last edited by GUWonder; Jun 17, 2016 at 2:19 am
Jun 17, 2016, 8:30 am
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"In 2004 I was shown how cameras on the blimps over Athens could pick out faces from more than 1,500 meters above a crowd."
I think you're confusing camera resolution with the ability of computers to ascertain a person's name/identity based on a photo of his face.
"One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport."
Please tell this to TSA , airport cops, and all the other airport security goons. They're the only ones I see throwing hissy-fits these days when someone uses a camera in an airport.
Come to think of it, they're the ones doing most of the smuggling, so I think I understand their distress.
I think you're confusing camera resolution with the ability of computers to ascertain a person's name/identity based on a photo of his face.
"One cannot refuse to be photographed; the photographs are being taken constantly from cameras in many places throughout an airport."
Please tell this to TSA , airport cops, and all the other airport security goons. They're the only ones I see throwing hissy-fits these days when someone uses a camera in an airport.
Come to think of it, they're the ones doing most of the smuggling, so I think I understand their distress.
Yes, it is ironic that it is the man taking photos that is opposed to be being photographed...
Jun 21, 2016, 9:03 pm
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Sorry if I missed it if it was already mentioned here but this is from the online edition of the Atlanta Journal/Constitution:
Customs testing facial comparison technology at Hartsfield-Jackson
June 13, 2016 | Filed in: Airline industry, airport, Atlanta, Delta, Hartsfield-Jackson, security.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection is testing facial comparison technology at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to verify travelers’ identities.
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Travelers will have their digital photo taken while showing their boarding pass before heading down the jet way for their flight. Travelers 15-78 years old will be required to go through the process, which is expected to take less than three seconds.
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CBP said images of travelers will be held in secure data systems for “post-departure analysis,” and the data of travelers with U.S. passports will be deleted immediately once their identity is confirmed. For other travelers, the test data will be deleted after the test ends.
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Customs testing facial comparison technology at Hartsfield-Jackson
June 13, 2016 | Filed in: Airline industry, airport, Atlanta, Delta, Hartsfield-Jackson, security.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection is testing facial comparison technology at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport to verify travelers’ identities.
<redacted by moderator>
Travelers will have their digital photo taken while showing their boarding pass before heading down the jet way for their flight. Travelers 15-78 years old will be required to go through the process, which is expected to take less than three seconds.
<redacted by moderator>
CBP said images of travelers will be held in secure data systems for “post-departure analysis,” and the data of travelers with U.S. passports will be deleted immediately once their identity is confirmed. For other travelers, the test data will be deleted after the test ends.
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Jun 21, 2016, 10:30 pm
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Don't these get fooled by a pair of glasses? The Aussie ones I've used before get all confused as the glasses I'm wearing in my pic are my old ones and I've got new ones now. Even taking off my glasses don't help and I eventually gave up. lol
Jun 29, 2016, 6:13 am
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Jan 28, 2017, 3:36 pm
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Executive Order Requires Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking
It appears that the new executive order requires biometric entry and exit tracking for all travelers to the US.
Does this mean that US citizens will now be required to submit their fingerprints upon entry/exit to the US?
How will this work for US airports since domestic and international flights generally depart from the same terminals?
Here is a link to the blog at which I found this. http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....t-just-arrive/
Does this mean that US citizens will now be required to submit their fingerprints upon entry/exit to the US?
How will this work for US airports since domestic and international flights generally depart from the same terminals?
Here is a link to the blog at which I found this. http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....t-just-arrive/
Jan 28, 2017, 5:15 pm
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There's an old saying in government, "The Executive proposes, Congress disposes." The executive order may "direct" the chief of HS to "expedite" a biometric entry-exit tracking system, but he can only do so with funds appropriated by Congress. There has been talk of such a system, on and off, for several years, but it always dead-ended due to the high cost to the federal government and local governments (who would likely have to fund the infrastructure improvements at airports to facilitate the system - the proverbial unfunded mandate).
Jan 28, 2017, 8:49 pm
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The only way I can imagine this happening is if they had CBP officers at the gate or on the jet bridge for outbound international flights. I can't imagine airports changing their design for this.
In fact some airports don't even have CBP at all as the only international flights are flights from Canada.
In fact some airports don't even have CBP at all as the only international flights are flights from Canada.
Jan 29, 2017, 8:10 am
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It appears that the new executive order requires biometric entry and exit tracking for all travelers to the US.
Does this mean that US citizens will now be required to submit their fingerprints upon entry/exit to the US?
How will this work for US airports since domestic and international flights generally depart from the same terminals?
Here is a link to the blog at which I found this. http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....t-just-arrive/
Does this mean that US citizens will now be required to submit their fingerprints upon entry/exit to the US?
How will this work for US airports since domestic and international flights generally depart from the same terminals?
Here is a link to the blog at which I found this. http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....t-just-arrive/