Twice last year: got the full pre-treatment (without Pre) where they were using dogs. I've not been past dogs on any other occasion (I now have pre via GE so I don't use normal lines anymore).

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Good gosh, where were you a couple of weeks ago when this question was being asked in another thread? :)

The only expedited processing I think anyone is really concerned about is the folks who paid $85 for a dedicated lane and no disrobing/unpacking except for the rare secondary or alarm resolution.

You know, you pay for a service and the service is provided - like GE.

Instead, 'expedited processing' can mean you pay $85, wait 45 minutes in line, and then (maybe) get to keep your shoes on.


No one is paying $85 and submitting to a background check, fingerprinting and an interview for the opportunity to wait in the regular line and 'maybe' get to keep their shoes on.

Sorry, I do not know how to explain it better.

televisor (sp) indicated to getting Pre associated with TSA dogs. You posted a tweet about Precheck treatment associated with TSA dogs. All 3 instances do not mention being "moved" to a specific lane.

If I am in a regular lane and someone offers me a card so I get the 'Pre' experience, that is not 'expedited screening'.

That is a 'bait-and-switch'. Pre advertises dedicated lanes, no disrobing or unpacking except for rare secondaries. Sounds a lot like GE, right?

This business of trying to intermix Pre and regular pax in one long line is a recipe for confusion and disaster - and it cheats the paid Pre customers. My experience is not 'expedited' if the people in front of me are not Pre and are busy disrobing and unpacking.

It doesn't help that there are regular, if infrequent, reports of airports forcing an entire Pre lane to unpack LGAs and laptops. People signed up for infrequent secondaries, not entire lanes arbitrarily converted to a regular experience for everyone, 'just because'.

Really, who cares? You are nit picking still.

If TSA dogs sniffing regular queue results in SOME, but not all, keeping their shoes on and laptops in - ergo expedited screening, wouldnt that suggest the dogs are
associated with offering expedited screening processes in regular lanes?

Would it not also suggest that dogs are not just a PR stunt but have some relation to security via Managed Inclusion aka Real Time Threat Assessment And suggest hat the dog jobs are NOT A favor handed out to ensure a higher paycheck for a favored employee?

I think what you are talking about is what is sometimes called Pre-Light.

Example, a person who has paid for Pre-Check finds the regular Pre-Check lane closed and is given a card to use in the regular lane. What happens then is all over the board, they may get to keep shoes on or not, laptop may come out or not, and so forth. It certainly is not what the traveler signed up for and is not Pre-Check.

TSA has failed to properly staff Pre-Check lanes after selling an expedited screening product. In any other business there would be legal consequences for such a business practice.

What TSA should be doing is screening everyone using Pre-Check type standards and escalating screening for alarms. Everyone benefits, travelers and TSA staff.

https://www.tsa.gov/tsa-precheck

This is from the TSA website. Interestingly, unlike the signs at some airports, it no longer includes mention of a dedicated lane. I suspect TSA never meant to offer dedicated lanes on a consistent basis, only until they reached a certain enrollment level.

I suspect TSA envisions something I saw a few years ago. Every pax's BP will be coded according to a security score (Nappy tried to introduce such a score as a 'domestic extremist' rating). Based on that score, each pax's screening will be custom-tailored.

(OT, but if you think some of the things BDOs consider suspicious are ridiculous, you should have seen what earned you demerits under Nappy's system. One way, last-minute, cash airplane ticket: red alert. Ordering an airline special meal: demerits. Halal meals might signal...you know).

And then...they'll all get thrown into a single line at a checkpoint that has never had to follow a consistent set of rules. Some pax will be required to remove belts, others not; some will have to remove LGAs, some not. No one will have a clue what to expect, including the TSOs who make up the rules.

Then we have GE. Dedicated lanes, in the rare instance the kiosks are all malfunctioning, front-of-line privileges. A consistent, truly expedited process that gives the customer what s/he paid for.

That was my thought too.

EXACTLY -- WTMD as standard and if alarms then they get the microwave machine, shoes off etc.

'Pre-lite' is nothing more than what you get when you apply 'screener/FSD discretion' to Pre. Unpredictable, stupid, slow and pointless.

I would not have put it quite like that - but you are pretty close to the mark. ;)

I'm not trying to justify Pre-Lite, in fact I think it is bait and switch.

Pre Check should be abandoned completely.

I saw this at Seattle yesterday. Everywhere up to a point along the line was allowed to keep their shows on.