Gaping hole in process after random selection
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Gaping hole in process after random selection
Yesterday I used the TSA Pre-Check lane at a major U.S. airport, and as I went through the metal detector, the "random beep" went off. Fine. I'm pointed to the millimeter wave scanner, and I politely indicate I'm opting out. The agent hollers "Female Opt Out!" about a dozen times while I patiently wait. He periodically apologizes for the delay.
Meanwhile, my bags are sitting on the conveyor belt on the other side of security, having gone through the x-ray machine. I see two problems.
1. Any idiot could grab my bags. Goodbye wallet, goodbye ID. Not TSA's problem, so I understand why they don't really care about this.
2. Bigger problem. If I really were trying to conceal anything, anyone who was traveling with me but wasn't selected for random screening could just grab my bags and head to the gate. Once I clear my secondary screening (which would now be easier and quicker, since there are no bags to inspect!), we would just reconnect at the gate and I'd have all my stuff back, minus the obligation to have it go through the secondary screening by TSA.
I haven't actually tried this, but it strikes me as a big gaping hole in the security process. What am I missing?
Meanwhile, my bags are sitting on the conveyor belt on the other side of security, having gone through the x-ray machine. I see two problems.
1. Any idiot could grab my bags. Goodbye wallet, goodbye ID. Not TSA's problem, so I understand why they don't really care about this.
2. Bigger problem. If I really were trying to conceal anything, anyone who was traveling with me but wasn't selected for random screening could just grab my bags and head to the gate. Once I clear my secondary screening (which would now be easier and quicker, since there are no bags to inspect!), we would just reconnect at the gate and I'd have all my stuff back, minus the obligation to have it go through the secondary screening by TSA.
I haven't actually tried this, but it strikes me as a big gaping hole in the security process. What am I missing?
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I respectfully disagree.
Every time I've been randomly selected, I have been asked to identify my bags and they are brought by the agent to the secondary screening area.
If I fail the swab test (which I often do because I'm not going to stop wearing lotions that contain glycerine every time I fly), then my bags are manually inspected. And during that manual inspection, everything is swabbed and checked.
So I still think there's a problem here. If my bags were considered cleared, then TSA wouldn't be manually inspecting them when I fail a swab test. But given current procedures, one can easily avoid having their bags manually inspected upon random screening with the simple cooperation of a travel buddy.
Every time I've been randomly selected, I have been asked to identify my bags and they are brought by the agent to the secondary screening area.
If I fail the swab test (which I often do because I'm not going to stop wearing lotions that contain glycerine every time I fly), then my bags are manually inspected. And during that manual inspection, everything is swabbed and checked.
So I still think there's a problem here. If my bags were considered cleared, then TSA wouldn't be manually inspecting them when I fail a swab test. But given current procedures, one can easily avoid having their bags manually inspected upon random screening with the simple cooperation of a travel buddy.
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Not to mention how poor the TSA's failure rate is at catching prohibited items. So no, the fact that they came through the x-ray doesn't mean they're safe at all...
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TSA and gapping hole are synonymous.
1) When I have to opt out or get a random I watch my bags like a hawk. If TSO complains about me moving out the area they ask me to wait in I remind them I keeping my possessions secure. Once when my bags were going out of my sight I asked a one stripper to get them for me (they did). The TSO in charge was miffed.
2) If you really wanted to conceal something you would just keister it. The TSA ain't gonna find anything where the sun don't shine. That is the gapping hole.
1) When I have to opt out or get a random I watch my bags like a hawk. If TSO complains about me moving out the area they ask me to wait in I remind them I keeping my possessions secure. Once when my bags were going out of my sight I asked a one stripper to get them for me (they did). The TSO in charge was miffed.
2) If you really wanted to conceal something you would just keister it. The TSA ain't gonna find anything where the sun don't shine. That is the gapping hole.
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So, if I'm getting a patdown anyway, why go through the machine first?
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I take lots of other known and unknown risks in my life. This one I skip. Happy to live in a world where I get to make that choice for myself, and you get to make that choice for yourself.
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Without getting into details about my own personal medical history, I'll tell you this. The millimeter wave scanners emit nonionizing radiation that is not believed to produce DNA damage that would lead to cancer. However, they use a form of electromagnetic radiation in a spectral region that can produce thermal effects, that is, heat. It's believed that the exposure we're talking about here doesn't actually heat tissue, but no one has determined the long-term effects of exposure (if any). Since it's easy for me to opt out, I do.
I take lots of other known and unknown risks in my life. This one I skip. Happy to live in a world where I get to make that choice for myself, and you get to make that choice for yourself.
I take lots of other known and unknown risks in my life. This one I skip. Happy to live in a world where I get to make that choice for myself, and you get to make that choice for yourself.
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2. Bigger problem. If I really were trying to conceal anything, anyone who was traveling with me but wasn't selected for random screening could just grab my bags and head to the gate. Once I clear my secondary screening (which would now be easier and quicker, since there are no bags to inspect!), we would just reconnect at the gate and I'd have all my stuff back, minus the obligation to have it go through the secondary screening by TSA.

