Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Travel&Dining > Travel Safety/Security > Checkpoints and Borders Policy Debate
Reload this Page >

Concern About Data Collection for Precheck

Community
Wiki Posts
Search

Concern About Data Collection for Precheck

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 3:43 pm
  #1  
Original Poster
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 658
Concern About Data Collection for Precheck

I am concerned about this proposal involving the TSA being able to use all personal data to determine whether a passenger receives pre-check: http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...and-looking-at

It appears that the TSA made progress toward this during the holidays.

My concern is not because of thee prospect of additional passengers qualifying for precheck but instead is out of concern of this involving privacy violations.

Last edited by guflyer; Jan 16, 2015 at 3:44 pm Reason: Last sentence was cut off.
guflyer is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 5:10 pm
  #2  
YKF
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Kitchener, Canada
Posts: 164
For those who dont click:

" consent to mine your grocery receipts, your credit card purchases, and even your Facebook posts to determine if you are a terrorist risk – not just once but on an ongoing basis.."

" what you post on social media while you are enrolled in PreCheck – it is fair game"

" information collected by the agency’s private sector contractors could be used for other government or private purposes"
YKF is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 6:10 pm
  #3  
3M
100 Countries Visited
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: MYF/CMA/SAN
Programs: COdbaUA MM, AA EXP, AF G, Bonbon Gold, Hilton G, All G, GHA Titanium, Hertz PC, Avis Presidential
Posts: 5,929
A good reason to get this through NEXUS.
N1120A is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 7:53 pm
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: An NPR mind living in a Fox News world
Posts: 14,343
Here It Is From FedBizOpps

I found the solicitation.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is seeking vendors for TSA Pre√ Application Expansion initiative to develop, deliver, and deploy private sector application capabilities expanding the public's enrollment opportunities for TSA Pre✓ through an Other Transactional Agreement (OTA) awarded by TSA. The Government plans to award an OTA to multiple vendors. The Government will evaluate the proposed ready-to-market solutions' application capabilities against this TSA Pre√ Expansion Initiative Solicitation and Statement of Work.
From the Request For Proposal:

Companies that want to propose a private sector application capability must demonstrate an ability to effectively market the TSA Pre✓ program to the flying public and successfully enroll and pre-screen a large population of applicants. This includes: the ability to offer convenient and accessible enrollment options, reliably perform identity validation and verification as well as appropriately apply disqualifying criminal history convictions, and potentially make effective, provisional, determinations to pre-screen potential applicants for TSA Pre✓ eligibility.

<snip>

In January 2013, TSA issued a Request for Information to conduct market research, technical demonstrations and testing of private sector capabilities to perform pre-screening of individuals for TSA Pre✓. TSA requested that the respondents include the use of commercial, publicly available, and public records data (hereinafter collectively referred to as commercial data) and algorithms to validate identity and perform low-risk determinations at an acceptable standard of performance at the selected risk threshold.
Somebody can help by trying to find the 2013 RFI...

From the Statement of Work:

4.7 Enrollment Opportunities Marketing
The Contractor shall provide a marketing approach that illustrates how the Contractor plans to offer application opportunities for enrollment into the TSA Pre✓ program. The Contractor shall detail any plan to employ strategic business approaches such as affinity marketing partnerships, etc., and clearly articulate how its marketing efforts and communications align with established TSA Pre✓ brand identity and positioning, including consistency in tone and language.
There's nothing in this section that prohibits robocalls.

They can sell you data for other marketing purposes unless you opt out:

The Contractor shall not use data collected from applicants for any purpose other than pre-screening for TSA Pre✓unless the Contractor obtains express permission from the applicants after completion of the enrollment process for the program.

The Contractor must clearly distinguish the completion of the enrollment process for TSA Pre✓ before requesting permission from applicants to continue communication regarding any other marketing opportunities not affiliated with TSA Pre✓. Any such marketing communications would require the applicants to affirmatively opt-in to such additional marketing.
I didn't see any requirement to review social media or to do any recurring surveillance that was noted in the article. Perhaps this was another RFP.

It's still extortion.
FliesWay2Much is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 8:02 pm
  #5  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
10 Countries Visited
Conversation Starter
All eyes on you!
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: LAX/TPE
Programs: United 1K, JAL Sapphire, SPG Lifetime Platinum, National Executive Elite, Hertz PC, Avis PC
Posts: 47,152
Anyone who participates in social media via their real identity is just asking for trouble - and the TSA is not the biggest threat you need to worry about...I certainly don't need my employer or prospective employer digging through my online life, let alone any other unnecessary organizations.

The only "social media" site that anyone would use with their real identity is LinkedIn which should be nothing more than your resume highlights and professional connections. My Facebook account uses an assumed name and dummy email created for FB and I can still connect and interact with everyone I need to without FB and its systems knowing who I really am....and the government doesn't need to know either.
bocastephen is online now  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 9:01 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Sunny California
Posts: 160
The basis of the precheck program seems to be to prequalify low security risks for speedier access through security. If you have serious concerns about your privacy and/or you have things to hide, you should not signup for pre-check.
JackInThePlane is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 9:21 pm
  #7  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
10 Countries Visited
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
20 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Finally back in Boston after escaping from New York
Posts: 13,684
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
The basis of the precheck program seems to be to prequalify low security risks for speedier access through security. If you have serious concerns about your privacy and/or you have things to hide, you should not signup for pre-check.
An alternative would be that everyone would be entitled to pre-check unless the government were able to prove that someone is a threat.

Mike
mikeef is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 11:28 pm
  #8  
30 Countries Visited
Community Builder
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sydney (for now), GVA (only in my memories)
Programs: QF Lifetime Silver (big whoop)
Posts: 9,288
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
The basis of the precheck program seems to be to prequalify low security risks for speedier access through security.
And that's going to work well because:
At least 99.99999999% of people who shop at CostCo are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who belong to their kid's PTA are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who have between 3 and 400 Facebook friends are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who pay with MasterCard are not terrorists.

How do I know? Because at least 99.99999999% of people are not terrorists.
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
If you have serious concerns about your privacy and/or you have things to hide, you should not signup for pre-check.
Everyone has the right to privacy. Would you object to having video cameras in your living room, bedroom and bathroom with images streamed to a big screen at the local shopping mall? If you've "got nothing to hide", why not?
RadioGirl is online now  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 11:40 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: Sunny California
Posts: 160
Nobody is denying a right to privacy. Keep your privacy. Stay in the regular security line.
JackInThePlane is offline  
Old Jan 16, 2015 | 11:51 pm
  #10  
Moderator: Coupon Connection & S.P.A.M
50 Countries Visited
5M
All eyes on you!
25 Years on Site
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Louisville, KY
Programs: Destination Unknown, TSA Disparager Diamond (LTDD)
Posts: 58,132
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
Nobody is denying a right to privacy. Keep your privacy. Stay in the regular security line.
The regular "security" line should be Pre-check. Not the other way around. If you want to expose your personal data for no good reason, have at it. It is none of the federal government's business. All the more reason to throw the TSA out of our airports permanently and prosecute its scumbag "leaders", past and present, for treason.
Spiff is offline  
Old Jan 17, 2015 | 12:06 am
  #11  
30 Countries Visited
Community Builder
All eyes on you!
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sydney (for now), GVA (only in my memories)
Programs: QF Lifetime Silver (big whoop)
Posts: 9,288
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
Nobody is denying a right to privacy. Keep your privacy. Stay in the regular security line.
Right; and you didn't have to give that mugger your wallet because you could have let him shoot you instead. You had a choice - your wallet or your life - so there's no point in going to the police to complain now.

"Give up your personal details" or "get an unnecessarily intrusive and slow search by the government" is a false choice on the lines of "your money or your life".
Originally Posted by Spiff
The regular "security" line should be Pre-check. Not the other way around.
This.

For the record, I stay in the "regular security line" - in SYD, CBR, MEL, BNE, PER, NRT, SIN, AUH, DXB, GVA, ZRH and elsewhere. But not in the US (or UK) - I don't go there anymore. And TSA is why.
RadioGirl is online now  
Old Jan 17, 2015 | 12:33 am
  #12  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: CPH
Programs: Delta SM
Posts: 497
Originally Posted by JackInThePlane
If you have serious concerns about your privacy and/or you have things to hide, you should not signup for pre-check.
Agreed. I further propose that all future correspondence through the mail should be done on postcards and not in envelopes. Are you writing to your attorney? Postcard. Are you sending a love letter to your girlfriend? Postcard. Checks sent back and forth should be in the form of a postcard, not hidden in an envelope. Are you receiving a tax refund? Postcard.

You have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide.
FredAnderssen is offline  
Old Jan 17, 2015 | 12:36 am
  #13  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: CPH
Programs: Delta SM
Posts: 497
Originally Posted by Spiff
The regular "security" line should be Pre-check.
I believe that eventually everything will be Pre-check, with everyone needing to provide all private details before being able to fly. Don't you think this is what the government is angling for?
FredAnderssen is offline  
Old Jan 17, 2015 | 12:50 am
  #14  
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 3,537
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
And that's going to work well because:
At least 99.99999999% of people who shop at CostCo are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who belong to their kid's PTA are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who have between 3 and 400 Facebook friends are not terrorists.
At least 99.99999999% of people who pay with MasterCard are not terrorists.

How do I know? Because at least 99.99999999% of people are not terrorists.
So you're saying only 1 in 10,000,000,000 (that's ten billion) people are terrorists? Given that's greater than the population of earth, and we've had several terrorist attacks in the last week, not to mention the Islamic State situation, I think your math is off... a lot.
AllieKat is offline  
Old Jan 17, 2015 | 12:59 am
  #15  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
20 Countries Visited
30 Countries Visited
2M
15 Years on Site
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Democratic People's Republic of the UK
Programs: Lifetime Gold, Global Entry, Hertz PC, and my wallet
Posts: 21,890
Originally Posted by RadioGirl
Everyone has the right to privacy. Would you object to having video cameras in your living room, bedroom and bathroom with images streamed to a big screen at the local shopping mall? If you've "got nothing to hide", why not?
I wouldn't object, but everyone that had to watch it would object !
Silver Fox is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.