"You were randomly selected!"
#17
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I just saw one at LAX T4 recently. They are only used during peak times when the lines are long, and the idea is to funnel some people into Pre-check. The program is called "managed inclusion".
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Yup. There are screening points in Australia where they "randomly" pick for explosives checks the first pax through after a gap with no passengers. Most times I can avoid the inconvenience but sometimes it is unavoidable (e.g. I'm the only transit passenger or can't wait long enough to let someone else go through first). I make a point to explain to the screener that their "random" selection is anything but random. Most of them don't get it but sometimes (rarely) you get one who understands.
The screener tried to explain it was random selection because she didn't know who would be coming through first (after a spell with no transit passengers). When I said I know from experience I'll get the explosives check if I'm first through and therefore if I really had something to hide I could just make sure I was second, a light bulb went off.
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Kiwi Flyer,
I am curious whether the screener decided to make any changes after the "light bulb went off." Is the screener even empowered to do so?
I think that this system is stupid, but I like it better than the random system because it makes it so easy to avoid the extra nonsense. I would feel differently if I felt that the swab had a real purpose besides theatre.
I am curious whether the screener decided to make any changes after the "light bulb went off." Is the screener even empowered to do so?
I think that this system is stupid, but I like it better than the random system because it makes it so easy to avoid the extra nonsense. I would feel differently if I felt that the swab had a real purpose besides theatre.
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Kiwi Flyer,
I am curious whether the screener decided to make any changes after the "light bulb went off." Is the screener even empowered to do so?
I think that this system is stupid, but I like it better than the random system because it makes it so easy to avoid the extra nonsense. I would feel differently if I felt that the swab had a real purpose besides theatre.
I am curious whether the screener decided to make any changes after the "light bulb went off." Is the screener even empowered to do so?
I think that this system is stupid, but I like it better than the random system because it makes it so easy to avoid the extra nonsense. I would feel differently if I felt that the swab had a real purpose besides theatre.
Unless I get the same screener on another transit I won't know if she actually makes any changes. There have been some I've recognised from previous transits where I've noticed a change in behaviour to make it a bit more random.
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I'm now convinced I was being targeted for theft because after removing everything from my pockets, I was surrounded by THREE screeners who conveniently tried to block my view while a fourth picked up the bin with my wallet in it with his back to me. They immediately stopped when I protested loudly about not being able to see my belongings. As punishment I was then subject to a full-on BDO interrogation accompanied by a complete baggage dump. And within earshot of the gate agent paging me for final boarding call.
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Do you know if there was a long beep from the metal detector? This is generally what the random selection beep sounds like. Also, there have been reports that sometimes, flight crews get the random beep but are not given random selection, so random selection is given to the next passenger going through the WTMD. Perhaps the person was ready for the next passenger to be randomly selected in advanced.
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This one was in Australia. It is my understanding the screeners on explosives duty do have some discretion as long as a reasonable proportion of passengers are tested (i.e. near continuous usage of explosives test).
Unless I get the same screener on another transit I won't know if she actually makes any changes. There have been some I've recognised from previous transits where I've noticed a change in behaviour to make it a bit more random.
Unless I get the same screener on another transit I won't know if she actually makes any changes. There have been some I've recognised from previous transits where I've noticed a change in behaviour to make it a bit more random.
In one* airport I use a smaller checkpoint where I know that I won't set off the WTMD with my metal hip, but there's usually only a few other passengers there. I'm getting very good at adjusting the rate of repacking my laptop bag, while watching the ETD person in my peripheral vision, to let someone else get "randomly" selected for the swab.
At another* airport, though, I always get caught by the WTMD, get the grope, and the ETD station is harder to see while repacking, so I always get swabbed as well. The last time (just after Australia raised its security alert
) I had a particularly unfriendly groper and then the ETD woman waved me over. And there was none of that "do you mind?" or "have you done this before?" or "here a laminated sheet of paper" - just a rude "come over here, I need to check your bags." I rolled my eyes and said "this isn't really random if I get chosen every time" and she said "you don't have to do this; you can go back out the way you came in." Then while swabbing, she informed me that "this is an airport, you know." 
*I'm not going to identify airports 'cause I don't want them changing the WTMD settings or anything.
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Do you know if there was a long beep from the metal detector? This is generally what the random selection beep sounds like. Also, there have been reports that sometimes, flight crews get the random beep but are not given random selection, so random selection is given to the next passenger going through the WTMD. Perhaps the person was ready for the next passenger to be randomly selected in advanced.
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Thanks for your efforts to educate them, but it's true about "many more to go." The Australian airport model is certainly based on "as soon as you've finished with one victim, pick the next person who comes through."
In one* airport I use a smaller checkpoint where I know that I won't set off the WTMD with my metal hip, but there's usually only a few other passengers there. I'm getting very good at adjusting the rate of repacking my laptop bag, while watching the ETD person in my peripheral vision, to let someone else get "randomly" selected for the swab.
In one* airport I use a smaller checkpoint where I know that I won't set off the WTMD with my metal hip, but there's usually only a few other passengers there. I'm getting very good at adjusting the rate of repacking my laptop bag, while watching the ETD person in my peripheral vision, to let someone else get "randomly" selected for the swab.
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True enough, selecting every fifth person to arrive is not technically random, but it's a lot closer to random than letting TSA agents choose whomever they feel like.
Fact is, however, they do that even when there's a putatively 'random' process in place.
Fact is, however, they do that even when there's a putatively 'random' process in place.
#29
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Random is the world that sets them free from "Discrimination."
Imagine a world where gov't speaks the truth.
"Excuse me sir, we're going to rummage through your bags because, well, there's some vague, undefinable quality that sets people here on edge, makes us nervous."
Or "Your race and nationality match those of the 911 hijackers."
Imagine a world where gov't speaks the truth.
"Excuse me sir, we're going to rummage through your bags because, well, there's some vague, undefinable quality that sets people here on edge, makes us nervous."
Or "Your race and nationality match those of the 911 hijackers."
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