More TSA Fun
Sep 27, 2014 | 5:47 pm
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Those who label, as "troublemakers", the following:
a free people not wanting to have their sexual parts touched by the TSA and exercising their right -- as free persons -- not to consent to being groped by anyone or everyone.
Would you consent to a pedophile (in your closest prison) groping your loved ones, without their consent, as part of "therapy"? That assumes you have loved ones. I wouldn't consent to such.
Last edited by GUWonder; Sep 27, 2014 at 5:56 pm
Sep 27, 2014 | 9:53 pm
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I am with the OP ... I have been groped more times than I care to count because I refuse to go through the AIT. However, if for any reason the TSA ever comes back with the need to do a secondary in a private room I will decline. No ifs ands or butts. This search is an administrative search and IMHO such a search has no need to be done in private.
Sep 27, 2014 | 10:45 pm
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Sep 28, 2014 | 3:58 am
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It's not a reasonable action at all. The OP isn't a "troublemaker". The OP is a hero. If you think people should be branded as "troublemakers" and punished for refusing to be sexually assaulted, please feel free to move to a country more in line with your beliefs, say North Korea. People who enjoy interfering with others' freedom of movement will fit right in there. Lots-o-sexual assaults in their infamous gulags, too. Party time, eh Comrade?
It's simply that foreigners of any kind are more of a threat than a citizen with GE who is FF to nth degree.
Sep 28, 2014 | 5:53 am
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Sep 28, 2014 | 7:51 am
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It's not a reasonable action at all. The OP isn't a "troublemaker". The OP is a hero. If you think people should be branded as "troublemakers" and punished for refusing to be sexually assaulted, please feel free to move to a country more in line with your beliefs, say North Korea. People who enjoy interfering with others' freedom of movement will fit right in there. Lots-o-sexual assaults in their infamous gulags, too. Party time, eh Comrade?
I think it is reasonable to punish people by removing them from TT schemes if they don't follow reasonable requests by the TSA. Due to the amount of alarms that went off maybe a body search (which in the original thread didn't sound like a cavity search, OP simply found them similar since she is a woman) is reasonable.
Sep 28, 2014 | 7:57 am
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Yes, OP is a troublemaker and in that instance I believe with the full support of most members of FlyerTalk.
I think it is reasonable to punish people by removing them from TT schemes if they don't follow reasonable requests by the TSA. Due to the amount of alarms that went off maybe a body search (which in the original thread didn't sound like a cavity search, OP simply found them similar since she is a woman) is reasonable.
I think it is reasonable to punish people by removing them from TT schemes if they don't follow reasonable requests by the TSA. Due to the amount of alarms that went off maybe a body search (which in the original thread didn't sound like a cavity search, OP simply found them similar since she is a woman) is reasonable.
Sep 28, 2014 | 8:16 am
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Yes, OP is a troublemaker and in that instance I believe with the full support of most members of FlyerTalk.
I think it is reasonable to punish people by removing them from TT schemes if they don't follow reasonable requests by the TSA. Due to the amount of alarms that went off maybe a body search (which in the original thread didn't sound like a cavity search, OP simply found them similar since she is a woman) is reasonable.
I think it is reasonable to punish people by removing them from TT schemes if they don't follow reasonable requests by the TSA. Due to the amount of alarms that went off maybe a body search (which in the original thread didn't sound like a cavity search, OP simply found them similar since she is a woman) is reasonable.
Troublemakers//criminals = TSA employees who attempt for force acceptance of sexual assault.
Sep 28, 2014 | 9:37 am
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Is it actually sexual assault, or do you think it should be?
Sep 28, 2014 | 10:03 am
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The latest of the PANYNJ (or maybe it's NYPD or NJT) "see something, say something" commercials say to the effect of "if something feels wrong, it probably is wrong."
A psychologist will tell you that if your instincts make you feel that something is not right, your instincts are correct. Listen to them.
Groping of passengers' genitals, buttocks and breasts is wrong, wrong, wrong.
I applaud the OP for standing up for what is right.
Sep 28, 2014 | 10:25 am
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Consent under duress is not consent. It is sexual assault and those TSA employees who commit or require such acts belong in prison and should be required to register as sex offenders.
Sep 28, 2014 | 1:08 pm
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It's not a reasonable action at all. The OP isn't a "troublemaker". The OP is a hero. If you think people should be branded as "troublemakers" and punished for refusing to be sexually assaulted, please feel free to move to a country more in line with your beliefs, say North Korea. People who enjoy interfering with others' freedom of movement will fit right in there. Lots-o-sexual assaults in their infamous gulags, too. Party time, eh Comrade?
Sep 28, 2014 | 2:15 pm
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It is of course wrong. But when we hear of underwear bombs, people smashing planes into buildings and other people ready to cut innocent people's throat just because you are French or American, the perspective changes a bit. If the machine says you are suspected of carrying dangerous substances, you need to be checked, also in your private parts if necessary, according of course to written procedures and protocols insuring that things are lawfully done. It's a consequence of the world we live nowadays. As a fellow passenger furthermore, I wouldn't feel safe to go on a plane with somebody who set off an explosive detector and is not then carefully checked and questioned.
Sep 28, 2014 | 2:37 pm
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The standard search they perform is NOT sexual assault.
Could there be some screeners that don't follow SOP for the pat downs? Absolutely. But to call it sexual assault, and to throw blanket accusations against all TSA personnel is really beyond the pale (but is definitely SOP for many of the internet thugs that frequent this forum). And it is offensive to actual victims of sexual assault to compare the two.