Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23141029)
Are you talking about real intel about real, credible crimes/criminals, or are you taking about joke intel like the no-fly list?
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Don't worry. The market will dictate the intel. Or they could get the federal government to just hand it over carte blanche to the lowest bidder security contractor and set an awful precedent in the process.
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Originally Posted by jpetekYXMD80
(Post 23141032)
Passenger has visited Yemen.
Originally Posted by jpetekYXMD80
(Post 23141032)
How would these even constitute probable cause? Or wont they?
Originally Posted by flyerORD
(Post 23141037)
Airlines contract out what they can to the lowest bidder. Do you also support free reign over airline maintenance with no FAR?
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So you want to undermine intelligence too. I thought one thing everyone could agree upon is smarter, focused intelligence dictating security screenings instead of feeling up Granny from Sarasota. But no, you just want to make it less effective, more convenient pageantry while making it far stupider. Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23141071)
Not relevant. Screen using WTMD, ETP/ETD, x-ray of baggage.
Visits to Yemen should not constitute probable cause of any kind: airline or otherwise. Airlines contract out what they can to the lowest qualified bidder, not lowest bidder. I support airline maintenance being the responsibility of the airlines with criminal penalties for failure to the individuals who dictate or perform poor maintenance - no hiding behind a corporation. |
Let the market dictate how safe you want the airplane to be.
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Originally Posted by flyerORD
(Post 23141083)
So you don't support FAR? It's a yes or no question.
Originally Posted by jpetekYXMD80
(Post 23141080)
So you want to undermine intelligence too. I thought one thing everyone could agree upon is smarter, focused intelligence dictating security screenings instead of feeling up Granny from Sarasota. But no, you just want to make it less effective, more convenient pageantry while making it far stupider. Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23141097)
I'll answer the question any way I please. And I've done so.
Sorry, the principles upon which this nation was founded should not disappear at the airport. Isn't a major critique of the whole TSA program spending the same amount of time on no risk passengers as is done on higher risk passengers? That a guise of impartiality clouded common sense? You're taking those faults and doubling down on them. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23141097)
I'll answer the question any way I please. And I've done so.
Sorry, the principles upon which this nation was founded should not disappear at the airport. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23141097)
I'll answer the question any way I please. And I've done so.
Sorry, the principles upon which this nation was founded should not disappear at the airport. Your attitude is what causes the above scenario to occur. FARs exist to protect us from your attitude. |
Don't worry, just throw the guy who unknowingly screwed in the wrong part in jail. Or burn him at the stake or something. Whatever. Problem solved.
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Originally Posted by flyerORD
(Post 23140912)
Let me reiterate, your flawed narcissism makes you a disgusting human being. To demean the lives of 3,000 people who, if, polled, probably wish security had been a little more involved takes a sewer level of thinking. I value their families far more than I'd ever value your issues. Your thinking needs serious professional help.
Let me make something VERY clear. You have no idea who you may be talking to online. First, we believe in liberty and freedom. We do not cower in fear from phantom bogeymen. We do not respect a government or leaders who do not respect us. Your entire view of aviation security is completely flawed, but I am more surprised after all these years to encounter someone still grasping at the last breath of 9/11, still worried about phantoms under the bed (or seated across the aisle with the wrong color skin) ready to detonate a bomb. So on this day of our independence from tyranny, I suggest you read and understand these words from one of the greatest patriots in our history: “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” If you are carrying a US passport, then he is speaking to you, and I suggest you listen. |
Originally Posted by Spiff
(Post 23140954)
There was no failure of airport security on Sept. 11, 2001. The reason those people died is because airline employees, at the direction of the federal government, cooperated with cominals. That's one more reason the federal government should be kicked out of all our airports and all present and past "leaders" of TSA and DHS should go to prison for life.
Do you mean the policy of flight crews (which I assume, but don't know, to have been consolidated in airline policies) to surrender the cockpit to hijackers? While 9/11 showed that the practice needed to change, it was based on years of experience, but I am not aware of any government directive. In fact, a representative of the airline pilot's union "security committee" testified in Congress, just a couple of weeks before 9/11, that better cockpit doors were not necessary because if someone put a noose around the neck of his flight attendant he would open the door. (For those who don't understand, history (up to that time) showed that hijackers would mostly go where they want and then release the passengers and crew unharmed). |
Originally Posted by jpetekYXMD80
(Post 23140399)
Seriously? Northwest 253 anyone? It's not my fault if you haven't read the news on these matters.
I'm no scientists -- although I did have very high grades in the subject through the various class levels -- but even I don't need to go back to school to avoid making an incorrect answer on this matter. ;) |
Originally Posted by flyerORD
(Post 23140912)
Let me reiterate, your flawed narcissism makes you a disgusting human being. To demean the lives of 3,000 people who, if, polled, probably wish security had been a little more involved takes a sewer level of thinking. I value their families far more than I'd ever value your issues. Your thinking needs serious professional help.
Let me make something VERY clear. You have no idea who you may be talking to online. |
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