Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 21938623)
Why would <deleted. have any ability to answer this question? I seriously doubt he has access to the chain of command to know what disciplinary action (if any) is taken against another TSO --- much less have the ability to repeat that information in a public forum. (Look at how many times the official TSA representatives fail to answer questions about personnel actions --- and those are the folks who actually know what's going on.)
I'm a little disturbed by how much this thread has become about <deleted> and his responses (or lack thereof) regarding this incident. Shouldn't this thread be about the sock monkey? [Four pages in, and nobody's made the obvious joke about sock puppets ... sheesh ...] If <deleted> was a TSA sock puppet (jury is still out) then I think we would get some answers, just not honest ones. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 21938942)
You're right, of course, but it would be great if once in a while <delted> (or any other TWO) could point out that Bob is addressing the matter or SSI directives are being updated and all personnel 'educated' so this doesn't happen again.
Need we mention the urine incident(s) again? |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21938951)
It's just a continuation of the ongoing rhetoric of TSA and its inability to respond to concerns of the public.
Note that this observation doesn't apply to <deleted>. His failure to respond is pretty clear. |
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 21938942)
You're right, of course, but it would be great if once in a while <deleted> (or any other TWO) could point out that Bob is addressing the matter or SSI directives are being updated and all personnel 'educated' so this doesn't happen again.
Unfortunately, I Bet if I went through the same checkpoint with the same item tomorrow while the same screener was working, I'd get the same result.:( Never expect honesty or compliance with the Constitution by anyone associated with TSA. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21937903)
Are Disney Pirates of the Caribbean plastic toy swords realistic replicas?
Originally Posted by Carl Johnson
(Post 21938053)
No, it wasn't a functioning cap gun. Who would be shooting it?
So <deleeted>, is the clerk that didn't pay attention to the training and thus failed to follow the rules going to be fired? I do not know of any kind of address being done at this time, remember, I am a frontliner, not an HQ guru.
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 21938623)
Why would <deleted> have any ability to answer this question? I seriously doubt he has access to the chain of command to know what disciplinary action (if any) is taken against another TSO --- much less have the ability to repeat that information in a public forum. (Look at how many times the official TSA representatives fail to answer questions about personnel actions --- and those are the folks who actually know what's going on.)
I'm a little disturbed by how much this thread has become about <deleted> and his responses (or lack thereof) regarding this incident. Shouldn't this thread be about the sock monkey? [Four pages in, and nobody's made the obvious joke about sock puppets ... sheesh ...] I am not certain that most of those sock monkey jokes would make it past the moderators here!
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 21938942)
You're right, of course, but it would be great if once in a while <deleted> (or any other TWO) could point out that Bob is addressing the matter or SSI directives are being updated and all personnel 'educated' so this doesn't happen again.
Unfortunately, I Bet if I went through the same checkpoint with the same item tomorrow while the same screener was working, I'd get the same result.:( Sadly, you may be right. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 21938951)
I suspect you know as well as everyone else that no one really expects <deleted> to answer most (all) of the questions asked. It's just a continuation of the ongoing rhetoric of TSA and its inability to respond to concerns of the public.
Originally Posted by chollie
(Post 21938942)
You're right, of course, but it would be great if once in a while <deleted> (or any other TWO) could point out that Bob is addressing the matter or SSI directives are being updated and all personnel 'educated' so this doesn't happen again.
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 21938953)
To what end? Would you actually believe anyone from the TSA when they say that it won't happen again?
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 21939110)
Talk is cheap; what we need is observed changes in behavior.
For everything he's ever said about how things are supposed to be, they never seem to go that direction... |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 21938806)
We're not talking about a shirt on a sock monkey. We're talking about the TSA's use of their own mysterious "SSI" rules to steal, er, ah, confiscate, uh, hmmm, "appropriate" items for their own use.
The comment was about a shirt with a logo on it that the TSA would then confiscate because it had a "realistic representation of a fictional weapon" on it, i.e., a two-inch lightsaber logo. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 21939169)
I think you may just have hit on why people treat <deleted> as the TSAs whipping boy.
For everything he's ever said about how things are supposed to be, they never seem to go that direction... At the same time, keep in mind that I have very limited information I can give out here - 99% of the time I am informed of things at the same time you folks are. I am not going to disclose SSI, but I am going to continue to comment on how I think that a passenger should not have had a hard time taking the item that is the subject of this thread, through a checkpoint. |
Originally Posted by Carl Johnson
(Post 21939377)
Right, a shirt. Not a sail. Not a circus tent. How could they think it could fit them?
They're the skinny, weaselly-looking ones. |
Originally Posted by gsoltso
(Post 21939513)
At the same time, keep in mind that I have very limited information I can give out here - 99% of the time I am informed of things at the same time you folks are.
And "SSI" is nonsense. Utter nonsense. Pure "what makes the roses bloom" nonsense. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. "SSI" is merely an excuse for thieves, thugs, and morons to make up "policy" out of whole cloth and maintain plausible deniability. Filing complaints about the TSA with the TSA is like micturating in a vector contrary to the prevailing meteorological conditions. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 21939552)
If true, that explains much about why the TSA "employees" at the checkpoint are at least as confused as the traveling public.
And "SSI" is nonsense. Utter nonsense. Pure "what makes the roses bloom" nonsense. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. "SSI" is merely an excuse for thieves, thugs, and morons to make up "policy" out of whole cloth and maintain plausible deniability. Filing complaints about the TSA with the TSA is like micturating in a vector contrary to the prevailing meteorological conditions. |
Originally Posted by halls120
(Post 21939606)
If you knew the mid to upper echelons of TSA management, you'd understand just why TSA is the way it is. To call most of them as dumb as a box of rocks would be unfair to rocks.
It's equally obvious to anyone observing the employees "working" on those "operations." |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 21939110)
Then why pick on <deleted>? He's been more forthright and participatory here than a number of his colleagues ... I'd think we'd want to encourage his sort of behavior rather than ask him unanswerable questions and then blame him for refusing to defend the indefensible ..
Precisely. I seriously doubt the issue here is with documents or policies, but with how they play out at the checkpoint. Talk is cheap; what we need is observed changes in behavior. For the record I don't think a claim that I picked on <deleted> in this thread can be made. |
Originally Posted by Caradoc
(Post 21939552)
If true, that explains much about why the TSA "employees" at the checkpoint are at least as confused as the traveling public.
And "SSI" is nonsense. Utter nonsense. Pure "what makes the roses bloom" nonsense. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. "SSI" is merely an excuse for thieves, thugs, and morons to make up "policy" out of whole cloth and maintain plausible deniability. Filing complaints about the TSA with the TSA is like micturating in a vector contrary to the prevailing meteorological conditions. |
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