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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 6:36 am
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Originally Posted by TheRoadie
Nonsense. This is in the SOP? Screeners are allowed to put their badge in their pocket? Tape over their name? Wear stocking masks to disguise who they are?

I claim if it can be seen in public with an eyeball, it can be filmed. With the monitor exceptions already mentioned on the web site. It's the same doctrine that allows filming of LEOs doing their duty. A public servant acting in public can have no expectation of privacy.

It goes with the job. If the staff isn't trained in this at indoctrination, then that's yet another management failure.
According to Blogdad Bob, SOP prohibits the disclosure of a TSO's full name, and the concealment of a TSO's ID badge, which has the full name on it, is allowed when a TSO is being filmed. This is ostensibly to protect the TSO from harassment and stalking by lunatics, troublemakers, and conter-revolutionary subversives.

The legality and Constitutionality of concealing the identity of a public employee, particularly a badged, uniformed, paramilitary employee whose job is rife with opportunities for abuse of power under color of authority, is of course up for debate.

My personal opinion is that NO government employee should be able to conceal their identity from the public for whom they work. Every TSO, TSM, AFSD and FSD, every federal employee who works in public and interacts with the general public in any way should be required to display in plain view at all times a name tag with their full names and their job titles, and to provide that information verbally on demand to anyone who asks.

Additionally, I find it absurd that TSA does not maintain an online list of current FSDs and AFSDs at all airports, along with their contact information. It is difficult to find the name of the current FSD at any particular airport, leading me to believe that this information is also being deliberately witheld from the pblic under the dubious assertion that publicly identifying these folks would put them "at risk." The particular risk is somewhat nebulous, but terrorist blackmail and Evil Stalking Crazy Passengers are implied.
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 8:43 am
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Originally Posted by tkey75
Wow. I'm pretty dizzy from that spin.

A solid A+ for a TSA answer, though. You should write for the blog!
Coming from the person who thinks flying is a privilege handed out by government?
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 9:15 am
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
Coming from the person who thinks flying is a privilege handed out by government?
I said that?
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 12:34 pm
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Originally Posted by nykjets
Then go through the body scanner or don'y fly. Flying is a privilege, not a right. And yes, the pat-downs are pretty pervasive and make many people uncomfortable. But you can't really call them "inappropriate". It's just the nature of the pat-down, it is "inappropriate" for everyone.
Can you please explain what you mean when you write that "pat-downs are pretty pervasive"? Do you mean that it is spread throughout every part of society? That it is rather penetrating? Or something else?

Because I don't recall encountering pat downs in many other facets of my daily life. In fact, the only times I've EVER been the subject of a pat down have been at the airport checkpoint.
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by G_Wolf
Can you please explain what you mean when you write that "pat-downs are pretty pervasive"? Do you mean that it is spread throughout every part of society? That it is rather penetrating? Or something else?

Because I don't recall encountering pat downs in many other facets of my daily life. In fact, the only times I've EVER been the subject of a pat down have been at the airport checkpoint.
I think that was a typo; I think he meant invasive, not pervasive.

Of course, TSA full-body rubdowns with genital contact and hands inside the pants and shirt ARE very invasive while simultaneously completely perverse, so the word almost makes sense.
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 2:21 pm
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Originally Posted by petaluma1
If that were so, then the screener would not have uttered the words he did to the father at the end of the screening.
No, That is exactly why the statement was made.
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
No, That is exactly why the statement was made.
Don't you see a problem with a screener who apparently takes 'shortcuts' when he's not being filmed? And his supervisor is OK with such careless performance?
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Old Aug 5, 2013 | 5:30 pm
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Originally Posted by chollie
Don't you see a problem with a screener who apparently takes 'shortcuts' when he's not being filmed? And his supervisor is OK with such careless performance?
I want to make sure I correct this. The supervisor only said the stuff about not getting the face/name. The plain-clothes manager said that if what I said was true that it was "not okay".
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Old Aug 6, 2013 | 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by tkey75
I said that?
He was referring to the person you were quoting.

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