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janetdoe Jun 20, 2013 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by ND Sol (Post 20929772)
No one has yet proffered one example of a TSO being disciplined for failing to note drugs and I have been asking for years.

Has anyone proffered an example of a TSO being disciplined for failing to note anything? :confused: I was under the impression that they miss WEI all the time and never get disciplined...

SWCPHX Jun 21, 2013 7:01 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 20917921)
The bigger question is what in this checked bag gave TSA so much concern that they opened the bag in the first place. It had to be a suspected Prohibited item on the WEI list. A small bottle of liquid in a checked bag should not have raised and alarm and neither should a small quantity of weed. Looks like TSA was on a fishing expedition looking for drugs.

You're assuming that it was a "checked bag". It is possible that this is just a poorly worded/written article and that Mr. Epps attempted to bring the bag on as a carry on.

Boggie Dog Jun 23, 2013 7:31 am


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 20967609)
You're assuming that it was a "checked bag". It is possible that this is just a poorly worded/written article and that Mr. Epps attempted to bring the bag on as a carry on.

I assumed no such thing. In fact you are the one assuming the article mistates the circumstances.

RadioGirl Jun 23, 2013 8:17 am


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 20967609)
You're assuming that it was a "checked bag". It is possible that this is just a poorly worded/written article and that Mr. Epps attempted to bring the bag on as a carry on.

Wow, you're really stretching to try to justify this. From the article quoted by janetdoe, above, (emphasis mine):

“At approximately 1 p.m., Airport Police Officers responded for a narcotics investigation in the baggage check area of Terminal 5. ..."
Sounds like it was a checked bag, but wait...

"Transportation Security Administration advised Airport Police officers they found marijuana and a bottle of promethazine with codeine (purple drink/syrup) in the checked bag of 35 year old Tauheed Epps (2 Chainz), a resident of Riverdale, Georgia."
Okay, still sounds like a checked bag, but wait...

"Airport Police Officers investigation revealed Epps was on board an outbound flight, he was removed from the aircraft and arrested for California Penal Code Section 11350a H & S – Possession of a controlled substance."
IOW, the passenger wasn't standing, shoeless and coatless at a checkpoint while TSA pawed through his carry-on, he was sitting ON THE PLANE from which he was then REMOVED.

You basically have to discard every component of this story to make it into something about a carry-on bag rather than a checked bag. I mean, maybe it wasn't Tauheed Epps but Britney Spears, maybe it wasn't LAX it was BWI and maybe it wasn't marijuana and codeine it was heroin and crack. Whatever makes you feel better about the story. :rolleyes:

SWCPHX Jun 23, 2013 11:18 am

Ok, my error, I didn't read the full linked article.

Boggie Dog Jun 23, 2013 1:04 pm


Originally Posted by SWCPHX (Post 20975212)
Ok, my error, I didn't read the full linked article.

I'm going to assume that actually you did!

chollie Jun 23, 2013 3:04 pm

So we've come full circle and the question remains: what was in his bag that looked like a potential threat to the safety of the aircraft? That, IMHO, is the only valid reason for opening the bag in the first place.

NextTrip Jun 23, 2013 11:14 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20976185)
So we've come full circle and the question remains: what was in his bag that looked like a potential threat to the safety of the aircraft? That, IMHO, is the only valid reason for opening the bag in the first place.

Maybe the bag check machine wasn't working and TSA was required to hand check the bag.

Boggie Dog Jun 24, 2013 8:04 am


Originally Posted by NextTrip (Post 20977909)
Maybe the bag check machine wasn't working and TSA was required to hand check the bag.

Not a bad thought but if TSA was having to hand screen every bag I would be surprised that news of flights being delayed or passengers baggage missing flights would not have made the news.

twtrvl Jun 30, 2013 8:22 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20976185)
So we've come full circle and the question remains: what was in his bag that looked like a potential threat to the safety of the aircraft? That, IMHO, is the only valid reason for opening the bag in the first place.

Sometimes there are scent dogs at airports.

Boggie Dog Jun 30, 2013 8:48 am


Originally Posted by twtrvl (Post 21015578)
Sometimes there are scent dogs at airports.

TSA is only authorized to search for WEI. If TSA is employing scent dogs that detect drugs then TSA is in violation of the limited Administrative Search doctrine.

InkUnderNails Jun 30, 2013 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 21015719)
TSA is only authorized to search for WEI. If TSA is employing scent dogs that detect drugs then TSA is in violation of the limited Administrative Search doctrine.

Yeah, so? Like they care.

Boggie Dog Jun 30, 2013 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 21016909)
Yeah, so? Like they care.

A government that violates the law is no longer legitimate.

chollie Jun 30, 2013 1:41 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 21016909)
Yeah, so? Like they care.

+1 That authority exists at least until a legal challenge is mounted and has successfully stood all the way to/through SCOTUS.

And if that authority is still abused (like deliberately scrutininizing large amounts of cash or targeting for drugs), who is going to take what action to exact a penalty or make it stop?

Taking escalating disciplinary action against the TSOs in question AND their FSD would be a very effective way to ensure compliance....if anyone at HQ was actually interested in compliance.

Always Flyin Jun 30, 2013 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20976185)
So we've come full circle and the question remains: what was in his bag that looked like a potential threat to the safety of the aircraft? That, IMHO, is the only valid reason for opening the bag in the first place.

It didn't have to be a threat to the safety of an aircraft for the TSA to inspect for it. All it has to be is on the list of prohibited items, which marijuana is.


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