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chollie Mar 4, 2013 11:09 am


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 20357678)
I grew up with someone who is hearing impaired and I realise that is a challenge. But there IS signage, or video, at many airports, often in multiple languages. And thankfully not the American TSA standard of customer service; usually one is told nicely in several languages and hand gestures not to remove shoes. I've only seen one security person at CDG raise her voice and that was to a traveller who held up the queue taking a very long time to unlace his shoes and who then stopped and gave her the lecture in an angry voice about 'bad security', and frankly it was merited.

And believe me, I've experienced how TSA handles it when non-US travellers forget to remove their shoes. I've been belittled, yelled at, and treated very poorly on the few times I forgot to remove my shoes, and I've seen many people treated very badly indeed. I've also had conversations with people at the checkpoint in other languages about how the TSA treats people when they forget to remove their shoes, or don't know to do so.

While the shoe removers outside the US are an annoyance, they generally are treated much more pleasantly by security than how TSA treats the non-shoe removers.

Not to mention how much more polite and reasonable they are when you forget a water bottle in your bag. At the checkpoint, I have always been offered the opportunity to take a drink on the spot.

exbayern Mar 4, 2013 11:15 am


Originally Posted by chollie (Post 20357899)
Not to mention how much more polite and reasonable they are when you forget a water bottle in your bag. At the checkpoint, I have always been offered the opportunity to take a drink on the spot.

And the shoe removers in the Canadian airport last week were told that they could drink their soda (which was apparently 'safe' because they bought it in an American airport, according to them) at the checkpoint, or if they wanted to drink it more slowly and in peace they were also offered to go back out of the checkpoint and bypass the queue (there was only a queue because they had caused a backup)

It's the norm in the UK, France, Germany, and Canada from my experience for passengers to be given that option.

stifle Mar 4, 2013 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by InkUnderNails (Post 20355918)
I only fly domestic in the USA. I am in such a habit of removing my shoes that I would be one of the naive people that would go through the US routine in a foreign airport. It would be out of habit and not due to any ridiculous notion that it improves security. Are there signs that say "Hey you, dumb American. Keep your shoes on." If there are, I will be OK.

I saw a sign in LHR last week saying something like "only remove your shoes if instructed to by a security screening officer".

Spiff Mar 4, 2013 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 20358977)
I saw a sign in LHR last week saying something like "only remove your shoes if instructed to by a security screening officer".

Only remove shoes if one is instructed by an imaginary person? What are they smoking?

BadgerBoi Mar 4, 2013 2:50 pm


Originally Posted by exbayern (Post 20356264)
ORY is particularly dangerous to airplane security. Not only are there multiple locations of Paul landside, there is at least two outlets of Ladurée landside, a La Maison du Chocolat landside, and an outlet of Baillardran landside. Be forewarned.

Helas, I've never had the pleasure of using ORY, only CDG. However during my last stay in Paris my Metro station boasted a Paul that was deliberately placed so that I couldn't avoid handing over a couple of euros each time I attempted to catch the metro.

stifle Mar 4, 2013 2:58 pm

I like macarons.

BadgerBoi Mar 4, 2013 4:50 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 20359507)
I like macarons.

and I like isles flottantes but they're a little tricky to munch on in public (not that I would ever eat in the street in Paris...)

LV702 Mar 4, 2013 4:58 pm

The last time I got my freedom pat, they didn't check the bottom of my feet. I could of easily hid a 3.5 inch knife folded up, in my socks.

exbayern Mar 4, 2013 5:06 pm


Originally Posted by stifle (Post 20359507)
I like macarons.

Ohhhhh then I have the place for you. I braved the snow (and avoided the ludicrous 40 minute queues at Angelina and Ladurée) last weekend to try the newly opened and so secret that there is no queue yet Les Marquis de Ladurée located equidistant between the two.

Of course, one has to like chocolate as they only serve the chocolate products from ordinary Ladurée.

Is that a doubly dangerous weapon - chocolate macaron?

(I don't actually like macarons, if I am permitted to admit that...) :eek:


The last time I got my freedom pat, they didn't check the bottom of my feet. I could of easily hid a 3.5 inch knife folded up, in my socks.
Nor has anyone ever removed my pen from my carry on...


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