TSA mass shooting training
Jan 27, 2013, 1:53 am
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I agree - TSOs are not LEOs, and they should not be - they are security/safety screeners.
Given the situation they are in, and the degree of control they exercise over movement around the airport, they should be trained to operate the same way teachers and staff are trained to act in a school emergency.
Given the situation they are in, and the degree of control they exercise over movement around the airport, they should be trained to operate the same way teachers and staff are trained to act in a school emergency.
That, and the aforementioned need to cut the theatrics that cause mass queues.
Jan 27, 2013, 1:57 am
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The TSA has increased the risk of passengers becoming victims of mass shootings or explosions, as the TSA has made the lines/bottlenecks what they are: a higher density target.
This training is a TSA insult to passengers in an environment where the TSA is increasing the risk passengers face from a homicidal maniac.
This training is a TSA insult to passengers in an environment where the TSA is increasing the risk passengers face from a homicidal maniac.
Jan 27, 2013, 5:25 am
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The TSA has increased the risk of passengers becoming victims of mass shootings or explosions, as the TSA has made the lines/bottlenecks what they are: a higher density target.
This training is a TSA insult to passengers in an environment where the TSA is increasing the risk passengers face from a homicidal maniac.
This training is a TSA insult to passengers in an environment where the TSA is increasing the risk passengers face from a homicidal maniac.
There is something super scary about falling out of the sky, though. That is why we get super scared about it. Unrealistic and illogical type scared. It's sort of like Zombies. We know it won't happen. Well, we really hope it won't happen. Yet, when we go to the gun range they have targets with Zombies. Got to practice shooting them in the head. One shot per Zombie because we know from the movies that we will run out of ammo before we run out of Zombies to shoot in the head.
The TSA is like that. They are waiting for the "Zombies," but they never show up. It's just us wanting to fly somewhere and not have to go through one of Dante's seven rings to get there.
But, if an evil terrorist ever does show up, they will know what he looks like. They saw it on Fox news.
Jan 27, 2013, 8:51 am
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Just think of how easy it would be for the predator wanting to do harm. TSA clerks routinely take bad position at the checkpoint. They're easily distracted by decoys, say exploiting their tunnel vision with respect to object oriented security. In plain terms, perp sends through a knife or other weapon, they call all their supervisors and the checkpoint LEOs into one centralized position near the X-ray, they all take bad position and the predator exploits his sitting duck targets.
Jan 27, 2013, 10:18 am
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Do Not Fly: the Feds May Be Planning a Massacre at Checkpoint Lines
If it happens, can we say "I told you so" ?
Becky Akers:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/131365.html
Becky Akers:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/131365.html
Jan 27, 2013, 10:27 am
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Just think of how easy it would be for the predator wanting to do harm. TSA clerks routinely take bad position at the checkpoint. They're easily distracted by decoys, say exploiting their tunnel vision with respect to object oriented security. In plain terms, perp sends through a knife or other weapon, they call all their supervisors and the checkpoint LEOs into one centralized position near the X-ray, they all take bad position and the predator exploits his sitting duck targets.
"Distracting" the TSA is synonymous with "creating a disturbance."
Jan 27, 2013, 10:48 am
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The timing of the training at the same time as the discussions about gun laws is very strange.
Ten + years, and the agency is just getting concerned about a checkpoint scenario?
As Fredd pointed out, the dangers of a distraction were already used to go after anyone who raises any kind of question, no matter how politely, at the checkoint. (Phil Mocek, also the mother who didn't want her girl strip-searched, others).
People who know security have said for years that the huge backups at the perpetually under-operated checkpoints are a potential threat. (I say 'under-operated' because I've never seen all scanners and belts open and operating at the same time. Other than LHR, I have never seen lines and congestion like I routinely see in the US anywhere else. And everywhere else, I usually see a fraction of the manpower, all of whom actually seem to be usefully occupied).
Ten + years, and the agency is just getting concerned about a checkpoint scenario?
As Fredd pointed out, the dangers of a distraction were already used to go after anyone who raises any kind of question, no matter how politely, at the checkoint. (Phil Mocek, also the mother who didn't want her girl strip-searched, others).
People who know security have said for years that the huge backups at the perpetually under-operated checkpoints are a potential threat. (I say 'under-operated' because I've never seen all scanners and belts open and operating at the same time. Other than LHR, I have never seen lines and congestion like I routinely see in the US anywhere else. And everywhere else, I usually see a fraction of the manpower, all of whom actually seem to be usefully occupied).
Jan 27, 2013, 12:35 pm
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The timing of the training at the same time as the discussions about gun laws is very strange.
Ten + years, and the agency is just getting concerned about a checkpoint scenario?
As Fredd pointed out, the dangers of a distraction were already used to go after anyone who raises any kind of question, no matter how politely, at the checkoint. (Phil Mocek, also the mother who didn't want her girl strip-searched, others).
People who know security have said for years that the huge backups at the perpetually under-operated checkpoints are a potential threat. (I say 'under-operated' because I've never seen all scanners and belts open and operating at the same time. Other than LHR, I have never seen lines and congestion like I routinely see in the US anywhere else. And everywhere else, I usually see a fraction of the manpower, all of whom actually seem to be usefully occupied).
Ten + years, and the agency is just getting concerned about a checkpoint scenario?
As Fredd pointed out, the dangers of a distraction were already used to go after anyone who raises any kind of question, no matter how politely, at the checkoint. (Phil Mocek, also the mother who didn't want her girl strip-searched, others).
People who know security have said for years that the huge backups at the perpetually under-operated checkpoints are a potential threat. (I say 'under-operated' because I've never seen all scanners and belts open and operating at the same time. Other than LHR, I have never seen lines and congestion like I routinely see in the US anywhere else. And everywhere else, I usually see a fraction of the manpower, all of whom actually seem to be usefully occupied).
Jan 27, 2013, 2:39 pm
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The thing that I find puzzling is the huge disconnect between what they (as an organization) say they are there for and the operations on the ground. It's as if the people running the DHS/TSA have never actually seen TSA in action. That is to say, chronic mis-selection in staff, poor and mis-directed training, poor operational procedures, standards, and goals, improper supervision, etc., etc. The list just goes on and on.
It's like a case study in how not to do something and they're trying to tick as many boxes as possible for "Fail".
It's like a case study in how not to do something and they're trying to tick as many boxes as possible for "Fail".
Jan 27, 2013, 2:41 pm
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They travel in "pairs" so they have a better chance of finding their way back to the Checkpoint.
Jan 27, 2013, 2:55 pm
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The thing that I find puzzling is the huge disconnect between what they (as an organization) say they are there for and the operations on the ground. It's as if the people running the DHS/TSA have never actually seen TSA in action. That is to say, chronic mis-selection in staff, poor and mis-directed training, poor operational procedures, standards, and goals, improper supervision, etc., etc. The list just goes on and on.
It's like a case study in how not to do something and they're trying to tick as many boxes as possible for "Fail".
It's like a case study in how not to do something and they're trying to tick as many boxes as possible for "Fail".
They know what is going on, they don't care. Any real threat will be caught by intel before the airport, or the pax on the plane will handle it. All the rest is to perpetuate bureaucracy and line pockets with $.
When Ike warned of the threat of the military-industrial complex, he didn't anticipate that it would become the military-security-industrial complex.