TSA and Mr Jones
#16
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,657
First of all, the image says "Courtesy of Infowars" beneath it, which implies that Bob obtained permission to use the image. If so, all of this discussion is moot.
But for the sake of argument, let's assume that Bob didn't obtain permission. Does fair use apply? Bob is using the image for a non-profit, educational use (i.e. commentary on the event). The image documents an historical event, rather than a fictional work of creative expression. The original image is still available on the Infowars site; Bob's use of the image does not diminish its value on the Infowars site. And while Bob used the most important parts of the original image, he took care to use the smallest portion he could to make his point. All four items directly address the elements of the "four-point test" of 17 USC 107.
As I said, I'm no lawyer, and I'm certainly not a judge ... but it looks to me like the use of this image is well within the fair use defense.
#17
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,972
As to the incident itself, it doesn't look like any of the three people involved acted appropriately, but I'd put slightly more blame on the TSO and LEO since their job was to de-escalate the issue and it doesn't look like they succeeded.
#18
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: BOI, et. al
Programs: UA Premier 1k, Marriott Platinum Elite, Star Alliance Gold, SPG Platinum, Yelp Elite
Posts: 219
Oh good, Blogger Bob has weighed in. He doesn't seem to like Alex Jones either, at least from the tone of the post.
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/01/shoe-rem...eckpoints.html
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/01/shoe-rem...eckpoints.html
Though that might be because I'm a bit biased against Mr. Jones, who I once considered amusing, and now just irresponsible.
The TSO and LEO's could have engaged their brains, however, and realized they were getting played. Other LEO's who he has done this to have handled it with some amazing tact and skill that completely defused his ability to get what he wanted. The TSA, however, in every case, has embraced being played the fool with such eagerness it does at the end of the day end up with them just being fools.
Last edited by Andy Big Bear; Jan 7, 2013 at 8:41 pm
#19
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 821
#20
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: BOI, et. al
Programs: UA Premier 1k, Marriott Platinum Elite, Star Alliance Gold, SPG Platinum, Yelp Elite
Posts: 219
Fair use includes responding to your critics on issues of compelling public interest, and that includes whatever media they make their points with. The balance is "what is in the public interest" balanced against "what are the property rights of the owner." Since the article goes to his state of mind, which is clearly belligerent within the photo, they are probably within their rights.
Another part of that though is how aggressive the rights holder is. This is why on the one hand, any evening on CNN you can see blurry video with the words TMZ watermarked across it. On the other hand, nobody dares mess with New York Times content, as it's well known they aggressively go after everyone full tilt who excerpts their content beyond their strict, and well publicized, fair use guidelines.
Another part of that though is how aggressive the rights holder is. This is why on the one hand, any evening on CNN you can see blurry video with the words TMZ watermarked across it. On the other hand, nobody dares mess with New York Times content, as it's well known they aggressively go after everyone full tilt who excerpts their content beyond their strict, and well publicized, fair use guidelines.
#21
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend




Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: where the chile is hot
Programs: AA,RR,NW,Delta ,UA,CO
Posts: 49,079
But why crop the image to conveniently leave out the TSO in the background standing by and enjoying the scene? Is that the best use of her time? Real professional.
#22
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 110
Oh good, Blogger Bob has weighed in. He doesn't seem to like Alex Jones either, at least from the tone of the post.
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/01/shoe-rem...eckpoints.html
http://blog.tsa.gov/2013/01/shoe-rem...eckpoints.html
#23
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 821
#24
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: BOI, et. al
Programs: UA Premier 1k, Marriott Platinum Elite, Star Alliance Gold, SPG Platinum, Yelp Elite
Posts: 219
#26
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,657
Either way ... a fair use claim would still seem to be a strong one (IANAL).
#28
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: BOI, et. al
Programs: UA Premier 1k, Marriott Platinum Elite, Star Alliance Gold, SPG Platinum, Yelp Elite
Posts: 219


